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hi this is sean cahill and you're

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listening to that ufo podcast

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you're going to be lied to because

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that's the rule

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that is a quote from astrophysicist eric

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davis

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welcome to a new show format where a

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guest is going to join me looking in

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depth at a well-known case event person

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or in this case a particular document

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often i'm getting messages from folks

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who are newer to the ufo subject or for

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some time have can adept in and out and

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they're looking for more information on

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certain things that are talked about on

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social media or on the podcast or on

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other people's blogs

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in detail and they're not too sure of

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the origins or the basics recently at us

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congressional hearings the wilson davis

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memo was admitted into public record

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after being brought up in the hearing by

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congressman mike gallagher bringing his

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this document back to the forefront of

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the ufo conversation

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joining me for this inaugural show is

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former guest and a man who is very well

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known for his interest and work on

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legitimacy of the wilson davis memo

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especially his fantastic mega blog which

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you can find at ufojoe.net and the links

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for that are in the description i've got

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joe murgia joe welcome back to the

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podcast

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andy thanks so much for having me back

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it's been a while how long has it been

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like a year at least a year yeah i think

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it's been over a year when i look back

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through the messages we've always kind

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of been in touch back and forward anyway

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but yeah this is a long overdue and the

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time certainly flies but you know what

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i'm glad this has came up now because

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the timings worked out well um

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i've been wanting to do a show like this

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for quite a while get away from the

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interview format or the news format it's

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going to be something a little bit

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different and i hope folks enjoy this

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and and we can get a crack on uh joe

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you are very well known for for the

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document we're going to be discussing

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and your work on it you're a staunch

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defender of the veracity and the

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legitimacy of the document

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we're going to go into the details and

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start off with a who what why where and

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when of the wilson davis memo for those

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who are brand new to the subject and

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this particular document and then we'll

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build up with more information and on

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this neither of us know 100 of the

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detail the names what happened but i

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think joe of all the people i could

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could speak to you're you're very well

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placed outside of admiral thomas wilson

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and dr eric davis themselves to discuss

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these documents so i'm very glad you're

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joining me for it

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yeah and i'll say that i do not know

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every detail every name of what

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everybody did in the document people who

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i wrote my mega blog i could not have

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written it without him and richard dolan

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and mr x who was anonymous for his own

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personal reasons did a five-hour deep

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dive which is on youtube

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so if people want to know every detail

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which to me it's one of the most

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important stories potentially in the

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history of humankind if we really do

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hour deep dive richard dolan and mr x i

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will get those links in the description

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for folks who want to go ahead and watch

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those afterwards ideally they listen to

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us first or watch us first but i've also

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got the link joe to your mega blog and

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also the documents themselves are all in

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the description for this show folks so

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please do check those out as well so

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let's kick off with the basics the who

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what why where when the who is an

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admiral thomas wilson and dr eric davis

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the what the wilson davis memo is a

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document of the conversation had between

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these two gentlemen written down by eric

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davis himself covering several aspects

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of the ufo conversation including but

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very much not limited to crash retrieval

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programs alien bodies remote viewings

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mentioned in their cover-ups special

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access programs you name it it's in

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there in one sort of explosive document

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this happened in las vegas nevada in

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let's start with the the who who are

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admiral thomas wilson and dr eric davis

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so admiral thomas wilson in in 2002 he

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had just retired as the director of the

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defense intelligence agency

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when he allegedly went looking for this

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ufo program he was the vice director of

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intelligence the j-2 for the joint

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chiefs of staff um

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pretty high up trying to you know he's

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briefing other people in the government

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on intelligence he should know

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everything that's going on eric davis

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university and his research

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specializations and interests include

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breakthrough propulsion physics for

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interstellar flight interstellar flight

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science is a long list

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and guy is brilliant he was part of nids

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nids is the national institute of

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discovery science uh with robert robert

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90s and eric davis had his own sighting

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i think it was 95 he had his own

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sighting in arizona and and the guy is

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like a walking encyclopedia on ufos he's

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spoken about the crash retrieval program

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in various interviews

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he had just been probably like four or

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five months before he allegedly met the

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admiral he had just been

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so that's what happened and then if you

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want me to get into what supposedly

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happened in 2002 we can go there next

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yeah so just just to summarize quickly

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you've got admiral thomas wilson who

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pretty serious career military guy has

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worked his way up is in a very lofty

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position within the intelligence

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community you've then got dr eric davis

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who just from his resume i think if you

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had to read off his actual full resume

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you'd be here for a good hour this guy

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is involved in so many different things

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um and extremely intelligent extremely

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it's very chalk and cheese when it comes

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to these two to a particular characters

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now they have a meeting which results in

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this document being produced by eric

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davis like i said october 16th 2002 in

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las vegas nevada which is the the place

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you reside at the moment is that correct

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people mentioned in the document also uh

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commander will miller whose letter to

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eric davis and hal put off it's

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consider friends and they're the two of

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the three main players in that document

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so that's a nice interesting coincidence

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so let's talk about first what happened

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admiral wilson and eric davis are and i

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car i'm i don't think they were in the

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back seat and it was probably sitting in

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the front but why were they both in the

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three years before and this is

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speculation apparently

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admiral wilson wanted to talk to

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somebody about this and

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the this is that he stumbled upon a

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crash retrieval not stumbled upon he

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found a crash retrieval reverse

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which will get back to how that happened

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in 97 and apparently he wanted to talk

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to somebody about it he knew somebody

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who was a physicist who worked at los

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alamos from 1988 to 2000 and before that

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eric davis because oak shannon this

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physicist was part of the john alexander

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which ran from around 84 to 89 so john

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one of the folks who was part of that

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group so he knew eric davis through that

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so oak knew oak shannon knew admiral

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and he said hey if you want to talk to

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somebody about what happened

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i know a perfect person he's not in the

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doesn't have clearances you can talk to

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him very very reliable so that was 1999

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it didn't take place until three years

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later where finally wilson said okay

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i'll meet with him

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association of

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former intelligence officers those folks

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vouched for davis too admiral wilson

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went and did his own background check on

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davis he was comfortable enough that

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davis wasn't go to the meet he wasn't

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going to go to the media he was going to

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keep it

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private and wilson felt comfortable

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doing that and there are people out

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there who said this makes absolutely no

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sense why an admiral will tell this this

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he's just going to go to eric davis and

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just start talking to him well it took

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three years and he thought about it if

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you read the documents you know i

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thought long and hard it's not something

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that you take lightly this is you know

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he wasn't right into the program but

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he's sharing if you believe this it's

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the most important secret in the history

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of our planet our country and he's

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meeting with eric davis based on the

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word of the a the af

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afio i'm trying to get that right but

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oak shen and his friend is like this is

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a guy you can really trust um let me ask

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let me ask though to what end because i

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know what your point is there but i sort

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of agree that if i um

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admiral wilson and i have

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come across this special access program

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black budgets whatever people want to

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call it and i'm finding out about these

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potential crash retrieval programs and

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whatnot why do i want to go and find

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someone to speak to about it surely

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there would be people within

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my own community that i could go and

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speak to you know he's already talking

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to people like will miller and and such

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why is he looking for someone out with

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that to have that conversation at all

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well at that point he had lost his trust

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in will miller because will miller spoke

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to other people about their meeting in

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1997

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and it was a big deal for him it's like

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oh it's navy camaraderie you don't share

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this information

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um but he did are you still there andy

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you're looking yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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i'm here yeah

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yeah i'm just fascinated yeah god will

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miller so that was that was out he was

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according to the documents he was livid

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that will miller spoke

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spoke to stephen greer afterwards and

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talked to mitchell and went to leslie

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kane which who wrote articles in the

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year 2000

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um not referencing miller by name not

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referencing wilson by name but but if

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you read the documents it's pretty

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obvious it's admiral wilson and he got

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calls later on

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people were making fun of him oh you're

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interested in ufos so miller was out and

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he had already been told

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by the special access not the the it's

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called the senior review group

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because he was turned down we're

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skipping ahead but he was not given

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access to this program so he put up a

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fight and the senior review group very

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high up related to the special access

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program oversight committee they said

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listen if you keep pursuing this

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you're going to not get your promotion

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to the director of the dia you you're

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going to lose a star and you're going to

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get early retirement so he couldn't go

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to people that he knew he had to just

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shut up eric davis was not in the

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government eric davis was totally

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outside of that

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and he had oak shannon's backing so

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apparently he felt comfortable enough to

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go and speak to eric davis and none of

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those other folks would find out about

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it until the documents leaked to what

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end though was he wanting to have that

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conversation what did he hope would come

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off okay i've got this guy here's a

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contact i'm told he's reliable i've got

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plenty of people vouching for him it's

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eric davis what does he hope to achieve

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by having that conversation at all i and

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i'm speculating here because we don't

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know that i'm speculating that and this

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i think

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the man i'm trying to think of his name

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who i want to give credit to the person

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who first brought this up

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it was the australian james rigney who

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threw out this theory that admiral

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wilson want you know he wanted this

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story out he couldn't get it at himself

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most if if he believed what he was told

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that this was a reverse engineering ufo

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program

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he wanted the story out and maybe if he

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told eric davis who was interested in

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this subject who had that background

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he possibly could get to the bottom of

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this and maybe the story would get out

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if you listen to bob mcguire a scientist

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bob mcguire says he saw a letter in 2004

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or 2005 end of 2004 beginning of 2005

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where wilson was still pursuing this

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that was seven years after he first

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encountered this program

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if you believe bob mcguire that wilson

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was still looking into this

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you know seven years later that meant he

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still wanted to get to the bottom of it

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but he couldn't figure out a way to get

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the story out i mean if you really

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believe that program existed the whole

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world should know about it so in i'm

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speculating he saw eric davis as a

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possibility if he told the story maybe

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davis and his nids folks could get to

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the bottom of it

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is that why that happened i don't know

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it's speculation

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the the document itself has a lot of

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incredible claims a lot of incredible

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points but i want to ask is it

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commonplace for someone like eric davis

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to document a conversation like that

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because it does read like a script and i

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know that's one of the things that is

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thrown at this document as an accusation

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is that it's a fake script and that that

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is how it reads it's almost formatted as

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well like a script that's got the

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initials the conversation

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and

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i'd like to also ask is eric davis you

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know i'm personally known for having an

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exceptional memory because i know if i

403
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had an hour-long two-hour long

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conversation which i do for interviews i

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remember about five or six bullet points

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eric davis seems to have almost an

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annotated i think that's the word word

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for word playback of the conversation or

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a very good one at least

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so

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for me it doesn't read like a script for

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me it reads like i have so many messages

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from eric just personal messages and it

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reads like his messages except for the

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formatting of course um so when i read

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it i hear

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i hear the way he writes if that makes

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any sense um yeah

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he has a memory like you would not

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believe i've never met anybody with a

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memory like him and i'm like you're a

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walking encyclopedia no matter what i

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ask you it's like the details he brings

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up and he's like yeah he goes help my

425
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boss hal put off said the same thing i'm

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like a walking encyclopedia as far as

427
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him memorizing what happened in that

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hour and 10 minute meeting

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um

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i have reason to believe that it may

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have been recorded

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i don't know if that's the case but

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i don't know what the word is i know i

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know gary nolan is a word when somebody

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has that memory it's like it's so off

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the chart you could just remember every

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word that was said so

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i don't know i don't know exactly what

439
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happened if he took notes afterwards if

440
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he took notes during it if he knows

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shorthand if he recorded it

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um

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so yeah not a script like i said you

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know we can get to it over the last

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two and a half three years

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i have no doubt that it's a real

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you know it's a real document that

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describes what happened when they were

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in that meeting in october 16 2002 it's

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not a it's not a movie script

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um

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that was floated by john greenwald as a

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possibility it's not uh tim mcmillan

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floated the possibility that yes it

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happened but admiral wilson was a fake

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admiral wilson that fooled eric davis

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which is preposterous and and i think

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tim tim mcmillan knows that i have no

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idea why he put that out there um but

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i'm not i'm not even going beyond

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everything in the document is legit i'm

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just saying the meeting happened

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i believe that a thousand percent

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whether or not there's a crash retrieval

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program and everything in that document

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is real i think we're gonna find out

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hopefully in my lifetime definitely in

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yours i would hope because you're

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younger um but i don't know for sure i

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mean i want to make it clear i don't

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know for sure we have a crash retrieval

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program i have a strong opinion based on

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what eric davis has said publicly in

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other interviews but i want to see it

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for myself andy now we have gallagher

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editor into the record that's step one

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gary nolan says that the the immunity

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language for these folks in these

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programs is 90 complete so we're making

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progress whether or not we hear about

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that

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or it happens in closed sessions with

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congress i don't know well let's not get

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too far ahead because we will get to the

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the congressional side of things and get

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right up to date so so far we know who's

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involved in terms of the main players

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and the name of the document itself

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and we've touched on the fact that where

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it happened was in vegas in a car park

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and we know that there are some

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incredible claims within the document so

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you've mentioned crash retrieval

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programs what else within the document

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joe for you stands out as being a wow

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because i think there's quite a lot of

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you know

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that's that's the main thing a crash

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retrieval reverse engineering program

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the folks involved

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believed you know it was not made by

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not made by man not made by human hands

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and

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they believed that it could fly through

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air water space and possibly possibly

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dimensions it's funny because you read

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it talks about how it was so

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compartmentalized that

509
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they couldn't go outside and get access

510
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to anybody they wanted to say hey

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help us with this problem on this you

512
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know and this is not just related to

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ufos any program where it's a very small

514
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bigot list people who are allowed access

515
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to the program they just can't go

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to their next door neighbor who may know

517
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x y and z and say hey i got this problem

518
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can you help me figure it out no they

519
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have to be read into the program they

520
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have to have a need to know

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so it talks about how the program

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just just grinded to a halt as far as

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progress and then you hear eric davis in

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his interviews he says the same exact

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thing he repeats a lot of what is in

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this document in his interviews about

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crash retrievals so and they mention

528
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bodies but bodies is not a big part of

529
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this discussion in here um the big the

530
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big part of it is how he how he went

531
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searching how how wilson went searching

532
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how he found out who he spoke to and how

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he went out to the program and how they

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said

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and people are like why would that

536
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program it's so secretive why would they

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tell him why would they tell them the

538
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truth that this is a reverse engineering

539
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why would they just why wouldn't they

540
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just lie to him maybe they did lie to

541
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him maybe it was something else and my

542
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speculation is

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he had a pretty high part in the

544
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government you know

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the vice director of intelligence they

546
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were found out by him they had had a

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00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,480
problem in the past where somebody found

548
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,720
them and they were audited and that was

549
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a big problem and it concerned them so

550
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,000
maybe they wanted to get rid of wilson

551
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,760
they said well tell him well tell him

552
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,520
what we are we're not going to give him

553
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:27,679
access hopefully this will make him go

554
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,559
away

555
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:29,520
um

556
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,200
so but like i said that's speculation on

557
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,360
my part uh there was a there was a there

558
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,919
was an attorney he met with the program

559
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,280
security head of security and the

560
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,039
program manager the program manager is

561
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:41,760
who told him you know the details about

562
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,360
the program and they said you know it's

563
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,960
not it's not a foreign technology

564
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,320
reverse engineering it's nothing like

565
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,000
that and that's when they said you know

566
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:50,240
not made by human hands

567
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,000
when i read um

568
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,640
admiral wilson's discussion of how he

569
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,160
went about trying to find out about

570
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,080
these programs the the person that

571
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,320
sprung to mind was tom delong who talked

572
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,240
about knocking on doors various

573
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,240
different stove pipes now tom de long

574
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:06,720
didn't have the clearance at all that an

575
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,280
admiral wilson would have had but tom

576
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,600
delong somehow managed to still meet the

577
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:14,000
right people and along the way get that

578
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,840
group together that eventually included

579
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,360
the people that we we kind of know from

580
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,320
to the stars academy and others do you

581
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,240
think an admiral wilson is someone that

582
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,240
tommed along maybe not to get too off

583
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,120
topic but spoke to along the way

584
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,600
i don't know if you spoke to wilson um

585
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,120
but what you talk about and i'm not

586
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,440
saying de long was able to do this but

587
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:35,120
eric davis in one of his interviews

588
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:36,960
which is on my blog he talks about how

589
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,120
you get information how people certain

590
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,039
people are read into the program he goes

591
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,720
you don't necessarily have to be read

592
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,640
into a program to get information about

593
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:46,960
it um he says like if you're working

594
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,039
with folks and they find out you worked

595
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,960
on ufos and they're like oh i worked on

596
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,039
ufo two ufos too

597
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,280
here's what i can tell you to a point

598
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:56,799
you don't have the need to know but i

599
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,440
could tell you x y and z the rest i

600
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:01,360
cannot tell you unless you get proper

601
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:02,559
clearance and you get read into the

602
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:03,520
program

603
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:07,039
i think eric davis at least since 2002

604
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:08,400
was working on

605
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,919
speaking with people in these programs

606
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,520
and he's accused people are like i think

607
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,520
people like brian bender say it's all

608
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:15,440
hearsay it's all people telling eric

609
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,080
davis x y and z maybe that's the case i

610
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,240
don't know exactly what eric davis

611
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:23,200
uncovered since 2002 it's been it's been

612
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,840
20 years but he uncovered enough to be

613
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,600
brought in from front of congress and

614
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,240
christopher mellon confirmed this and he

615
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,000
spoke about this and he gave them enough

616
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:34,720
information to go looking for he for

617
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,919
what he claims and melanin was like he

618
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,600
needs it needs to be taken seriously and

619
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,520
that's now we have you know we have

620
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,400
crash retrieval language in the ndaa so

621
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,320
it is being taken seriously whether or

622
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,840
not that's really there whether or not

623
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:49,919
it's a ufo not from this earth or not

624
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,240
made by human hands hopefully we'll find

625
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:54,480
out and i might have just totally

626
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,840
ignored your question if i got it not at

627
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,039
all you've brought up a point i was

628
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,640
going to bring up as one of kenneth 4

629
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,440
here now within the document wilson vent

630
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,840
his frustration at commander will miller

631
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:08,240
speaking to other people about things

632
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:09,520
that he feels that he shouldn't have

633
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:10,880
been talking about

634
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,600
but isn't that just the nature of not

635
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,600
only the ufo subject but just human

636
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,440
nature in general that even when it

637
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,520
comes to security clearances and

638
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,840
important information like this

639
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,919
it's just what happens that there's a

640
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,840
there's an urge to have that discussion

641
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,440
and i suppose that the biggest example

642
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,400
we have currently is louis elizondo who

643
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:32,720
has gone further and further and further

644
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,000
and and what he will and what he can say

645
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,760
even things like when he talks about you

646
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,600
know i won't tell you what i know but

647
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,080
you know it would feel somber

648
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,080
that that's there's a tease there and

649
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,440
there's an assumed knowledge because

650
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,880
when lou says that people like you

651
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,559
people like me and anyone listening to

652
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,720
this you start to use your imagination

653
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,480
don't you as to well what would make him

654
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,799
feel somber is it just an overwhelming

655
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:56,400
feeling is it the fact that he knows

656
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:58,000
something that's really dangerous or

657
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,039
scary

658
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,960
and you start to have your mind go into

659
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,799
overdrive so

660
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,880
the human nature of these conversations

661
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,320
even with really high ranking

662
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,640
individuals like like commander will

663
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,559
miller and to be fair

664
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,280
and the document he he says he admired

665
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,200
wilson felt miller had kind of betrayed

666
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,200
that trust in having that conversation

667
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,960
and but is

668
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,039
is wilson not doing something relatively

669
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,520
similar speaking to eric davis about

670
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,200
this as well

671
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,280
i don't think so um i mean i think i

672
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,960
don't know exactly what was said between

673
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:31,120
miller and wilson you know after that

674
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:32,240
meeting

675
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,200
but

676
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,679
i'm glad will miller spoke up of course

677
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,919
i'm glad steven greer spoke up i mean

678
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,840
who cares i'm who cares about

679
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,440
camaraderie when you're talking about

680
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,360
something that if it's true it's the

681
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,039
biggest story in you know

682
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,520
in mankind's history so screw

683
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,760
camaraderie um

684
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,320
i don't know if miller if wilson still

685
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,480
feels that way i don't know if he really

686
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,240
wants to get this information out i mean

687
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:57,840
if you listen to his interviews where he

688
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,880
denies everything it make it's given me

689
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,720
pause over the years even whether or not

690
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:04,480
this was legitimate or not

691
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,440
um

692
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,200
and that was even recent he gave he gave

693
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,720
a total denial which we can get into

694
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,480
some of his denials with some of them i

695
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,480
think are are pretty obvious if you're

696
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,240
open-minded that he's lying about one

697
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,880
specific point related to oak shed sorry

698
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,039
oak shannon and um

699
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:20,640
but yeah i mean

700
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,840
when i met will miller in 2007 he i

701
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,360
remember him specifically telling me

702
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,600
he's a pacifist he's not your normal

703
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,919
military guy you talk to other guys in

704
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,720
the world of dod intel they're all about

705
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,279
patriotism keeping the secret

706
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,120
will miller wants this story out there

707
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:38,799
and he can do as much as he can to get

708
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,200
it out he's not doing ufos anymore he's

709
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,039
retired but

710
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,880
he like he'll talk about he thinks we

711
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,480
have this technology

712
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,400
other people i've spoken to have said no

713
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,000
no we don't have this technology if we

714
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,159
do have this technology miller thinks it

715
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,000
should benefit mankind so he's talking

716
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:56,000
about it which i love about him whether

717
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,440
or not we really have the technology is

718
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,679
another another discussion i don't know

719
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,679
it's funny andy if i say i think we have

720
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,520
the technology people come down on me so

721
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,200
hard they're like so you think the last

722
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,760
70 years is our technology i'm like i

723
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,159
didn't say that i think some of what we

724
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,320
see may be our technology and will

725
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,919
miller is one of the few people who's

726
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,840
willing to openly talk about that he

727
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,919
says in my interview with him that

728
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,360
he thinks we have a craft that can go

729
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:21,279
anywhere any place anytime in the

730
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,640
universe so

731
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,400
if that's true that's a bigger secret

732
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:26,640
than if we have a non-human craft in

733
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,919
possession if we have that technology so

734
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,640
once again i'm off on a tangent but uh i

735
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:34,320
think that i don't think it's the same

736
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,200
thing

737
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,960
because

738
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,320
i don't think you know there was no

739
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,640
agreement when when miller spoke to

740
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,000
those folks in the program they didn't

741
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,679
say we'll tell you this but you can't

742
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,440
tell anybody i mean he's the guy joint

743
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,360
chiefs he's the vice director of

744
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,720
intelligence who are they to tell him

745
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,039
anything so he was able to you know on

746
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,039
his behalf talk to he spoke to eric

747
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,039
davis uh he didn't make a vow to anybody

748
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,360
else but in his mind wilson betrayed him

749
00:26:01,269 --> 00:26:00,240
like i said i'm glad it happened um and

750
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,279
hopefully

751
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,360
we we can talk about oak shannon because

752
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,799
and the denial we got to talk about the

753
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,400
denial because wilson's denials were

754
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,520
really good

755
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:09,039
before we get to that a few other things

756
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,480
i wanted to mention that were in the

757
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,559
body of the it's quite a long document i

758
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,120
think is it 16 17. it's 15 pages plus

759
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,679
two the two letter uh two page letter

760
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,440
from will miller

761
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,279
yeah and again the link please go and

762
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,039
check out folks it is really interesting

763
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,640
reading but a few things i've picked out

764
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,919
just to discuss

765
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,400
is that uh personnel such as admiral

766
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,120
wilson have allegedly seen documents and

767
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,360
information on foreign governments on

768
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:36,080
incidents cases programs and such

769
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,600
why don't we hear more about these in

770
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,400
terms of leaks surely people like wilson

771
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,640
and others they're not ndaid when it

772
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,559
comes to other government's information

773
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,960
why doesn't more of that come out

774
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,400
you know if someone from the us knows

775
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,720
some of the russians info

776
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,240
is that not something you think would

777
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,799
come out more readily and be more widely

778
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,720
discussed you would think a lot of this

779
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,080
information would come out i mean that's

780
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,760
one of the arguments that skeptics make

781
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,000
you think 70 years we haven't we don't

782
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:04,960
even have one solid ufo video that shows

783
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,480
90 degree turns not one so

784
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,039
you know i'm like i i understand that

785
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,559
on that joe do you know what the thing

786
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:14,000
is and i'm not saying that that's

787
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,600
incorrect but

788
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,600
in this day and age you know when cgi is

789
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,720
so good

790
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,159
i think there's there's two ways you

791
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,399
look at any video one the quality is not

792
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,679
good enough and that includes things

793
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:26,000
like gimbal go fast or any kind of

794
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,360
grainy famous

795
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,279
phoenix lights footage and such you look

796
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,120
at it and go it's it doesn't show you

797
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,720
clearly enough what's happening but the

798
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,200
other side of the coin now especially in

799
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,880
2022

800
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,360
if it looks too good you just instantly

801
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:42,000
think well it must be cgi

802
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,039
you

803
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:45,360
myself anyone listening to this unless

804
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,399
there's some really high up people

805
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,559
listening to it we have never seen what

806
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,360
we could see as a genuine ufo video

807
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,520
and that hd quality performing

808
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,279
incredible maneuvers so

809
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,720
we don't know that there's not some

810
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,200
stuff out there online that actually

811
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,039
is genuine and

812
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:02,880
we're quite happy to claim it must be

813
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,159
cgi because what is good and

814
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,640
again if if that you know infamous black

815
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,640
triangle video got released and we saw

816
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,480
this thing rising out of the ocean being

817
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,440
filmed by some kind of pilot's phone or

818
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,120
gun system whatever it might be and

819
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,279
brilliant 4k

820
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,120
would people still look at it and go nah

821
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,679
that's fake that's not real

822
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,919
what is real people would and you know

823
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,440
when i say there's no

824
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,279
footage that shows 90 degree turns i'm

825
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,000
talking specifically about military

826
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,600
footage i mean i know there's private

827
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,760
footage that's interesting it's so hard

828
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,520
i mean i'm not a video analyst so it's

829
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,039
hard for me to tell if something is real

830
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,360
i usually err on the side of as you said

831
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,600
you know probably fake if it's too good

832
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,919
to be real uh too good to be true

833
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,200
will miller said something really

834
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:49,520
interesting about why we don't find out

835
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,880
more information he'd say he said um

836
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,720
he said yeah he goes i define that there

837
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,600
are probably multiple control groups

838
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,679
each one covering certain aspects of the

839
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,760
ufo eti issue

840
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,679
that is one probably covering crash

841
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,679
retrievals and analysis another another

842
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,200
covering collecting and analyzing

843
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,600
reports of encounters another related to

844
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,320
overall ins oversight that's just within

845
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,720
dod additionally there are a limited

846
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,880
number of dod contractors who even have

847
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,039
the technological capability to work

848
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,279
this issue to include analysis security

849
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,039
and later on he says he goes they do

850
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,960
whatever they can to make sure we do not

851
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,279
have access to that that could explain

852
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,919
why we don't see anything of note as far

853
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,399
as government evidence-wise i mean we do

854
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,480
have government documents but

855
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:36,799
andy i'm i'm accused of being a believer

856
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,039
but i i'm skeptical enough where i want

857
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,919
to eventually hopefully within the maybe

858
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,320
next christmas a year and a half we see

859
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,000
a military video

860
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,320
with the proper you know documentation

861
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,840
and providence where this is real and

862
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,520
it's doing something we're like oh my

863
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,520
god unlike like you said the three

864
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,360
videos which are great and they got the

865
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,200
conversation started but that's not what

866
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,880
we want to see we all know we want what

867
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,799
we want to see

868
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,880
and i think because we know pretty much

869
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,399
that they're so much better out there

870
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,279
and we've got the the worst of the stuff

871
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:09,440
that they could get out i've always said

872
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,080
the videos are are boring enough

873
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,080
to those in the know and those who deal

874
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,840
with those kind of classifications to

875
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,159
allow them to be released so it's that's

876
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:20,000
that's what we kind of got with those

877
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,200
another point that i thought was really

878
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,799
interesting as well miller in that

879
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,320
letter to eric davis that you talked

880
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,640
about he mentions among other things

881
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,399
that he can provide to eric davis the

882
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,720
name of someone who had first-hand

883
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,159
knowledge of the us government's

884
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:34,960
reproduced alien vehicles held at area

885
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,080
51 and other locales around the country

886
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,000
that's a big wow for me and a huge

887
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,000
standout and i wonder to your knowledge

888
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,240
in your conversations over the years

889
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,799
did that ever go any any further and was

890
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,799
there any idea or speculation on who

891
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,559
those individual or that individual

892
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,520
might be

893
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:53,360
i don't know anything else about that

894
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,399
but

895
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,840
and you know i remember when stephen

896
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,679
greer used to talk about that and he was

897
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,080
obviously getting it from will miller

898
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,840
and i don't know whoever else you know

899
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,559
will miller worked as the military

900
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,279
advisor for c-seti until he broke away

901
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,080
and left um one interesting miller thing

902
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:12,240
miller said on that front is he said he

903
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,679
knew somebody

904
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,840
who was working at area 51 and on his

905
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,679
last day he said hey will

906
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,120
you know when you see those craft making

907
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,799
those 90 degree turns and you you

908
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,960
thinking it's extraterrestrial he goes

909
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,559
well it's not and the guy just walked

910
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,640
away so i mean that's not evidence of

911
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,440
anything but that's i'm not sure what

912
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,519
knowledge will miller has that he hasn't

913
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,840
shared like in that letter to davis he's

914
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,200
like i'm not going to provide anything

915
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,880
top secret i don't have those clearances

916
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,399
anymore i used to

917
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,880
um so i'm not sure what he was privy to

918
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,880
and why he has come to that conclusion

919
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,120
that we have that technology but yeah it

920
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,720
stood out for me too if we have alien

921
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,120
reproduction vehicles that can mimic the

922
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,279
technology that's that's a gigantic

923
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,200
story i haven't heard that

924
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:55,519
from any of my other sources we've heard

925
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,399
other people speculate about it but

926
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,559
bring will miller in front of congress

927
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,320
even if it's closed doors ask him what

928
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,640
he knows you know i'm sure he's willing

929
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,200
to speak he's got to be on their list if

930
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,720
they have a list of people to speak with

931
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,960
he's got to be on that list

932
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,640
and something else i thought that it

933
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,480
just shows the breadth of discussion

934
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,480
within this document and it's again from

935
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:19,440
the letter as the point that ufos are

936
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:20,240
real

937
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,760
again that they're going into abductions

938
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,360
like i say even if it's just mentioned

939
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,519
remote viewing crash retrievals all that

940
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,760
kind of stuff but abductions are a very

941
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,519
sensitive subject to a lot of people

942
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,320
because it covers a lot of ground which

943
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:37,919
i don't mean this to upset anyone but

944
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,480
there's very little real hard evidence

945
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:42,799
for outside of someone having their own

946
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,919
experiences which i i can tell you about

947
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,840
my sighting that happened big ferris

948
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,440
wheel type ufo blah blah blah i've

949
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,840
talked about it many times i can't prove

950
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,679
that to you in the same way that someone

951
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,760
having years and years of abductions as

952
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,679
horrible as those may be whether

953
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,840
physical non-physical i can't say

954
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,919
they're definitely happening or not but

955
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,679
in this document it's claimed that those

956
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,159
don't happen what are your thoughts on

957
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:07,919
that and why that was brought

958
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:09,919
that upset so many people and it's funny

959
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,240
because so i i pulled it up on on the

960
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,559
document it says um

961
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,679
so

962
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,640
jacques

963
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,480
gonzler was the new

964
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,320
under secretary of defense for

965
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:22,000
acquisition and technology started in

966
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,000
december of 97 and

967
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:28,000
gonzler said

968
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,360
i'm trying to see if he was part of the

969
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,600
bigot list people who were read in um

970
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,679
anyway got so god it's john gonsler who

971
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,480
said

972
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,000
to wilson

973
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,240
that

974
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,399
so gonzaler knew about the crash

975
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,320
retrieval program but he also said he

976
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,880
said ufos are real so-called alien

977
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,640
abductions not real

978
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,880
um so that's gonzaler so i i i don't

979
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:49,679
know

980
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,720
eric davis has made the argument he's

981
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,080
mentioned there are certain colleagues

982
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,559
of mine think it's you know it's not not

983
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,200
being carried out by non-humans i don't

984
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:03,200
know i mean i know that upset a lot of

985
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:04,480
people and i'm like well first of all

986
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,919
davis didn't say that and wilson didn't

987
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,440
say that josh gonzalez said that it's

988
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,919
just a it's just an aside

989
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:11,520
there's no evidence for any of that i

990
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,800
know i know jacques valet has mentioned

991
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:16,240
has hinted i'm not exactly sure what

992
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,599
valet said about that but he's talked

993
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:19,440
about black programs and

994
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,480
um

995
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,560
richard dodie you know the lightning rod

996
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,720
has mentioned that some abductions may

997
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,119
be carried out by military but

998
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,760
there's nothing else on that so

999
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,679
imagine that story though imagine i i

1000
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,520
know it upsets people like you said but

1001
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,440
if if there was some black program that

1002
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,280
was involved in all of those abductions

1003
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,679
do i think that's the case i don't but

1004
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,520
it's just an opinion and we don't have

1005
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:44,240
the hard evidence so um it's definitely

1006
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,359
something to keep in mind as a

1007
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,000
possibility for maybe some abductions

1008
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,839
but then you have my labs you go down

1009
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,599
that road there are people who think

1010
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,839
that's totally outrageous there's no way

1011
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:56,000
the government would be keeping tabs on

1012
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,680
abductees the government knows nothing

1013
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,760
about abductees so

1014
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,400
yeah i don't know it's um you know it's

1015
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:04,000
a conversation that has like a million

1016
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,440
branches coming off it because you've

1017
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,880
got them real or not real then you've

1018
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,880
got them are they physical or

1019
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,800
non-physical then you've got the idea

1020
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,560
that they're human they're non-human

1021
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,880
right and even if the fact that someone

1022
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,480
within the government said look we know

1023
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,040
abductions you know don't happen well

1024
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,560
you would have to know every other

1025
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,160
potential species out there and whether

1026
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,599
or not they are definitely coming here

1027
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,520
or not to again whether or not that is

1028
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,920
happening so that could just be someone

1029
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,400
not being correct but

1030
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,760
i don't know where ganzler got that

1031
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,200
information from i don't know who told

1032
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,880
him it would be nice to ask him i would

1033
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,480
like to know where did you get that from

1034
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,000
so yeah there's really not much more he

1035
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,920
could say about it and even if you find

1036
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,520
that out it's just another conversation

1037
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,800
starter isn't it it would only give you

1038
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,280
another 10 questions to ask but let's

1039
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,680
move on how this conversation then

1040
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,280
actually got out to the public so this

1041
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:51,760
happened in 2002

1042
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,720
was there much discussion in the ufo

1043
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,160
community we're talking about a time

1044
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,400
when the internet was in its infancy

1045
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,160
message boards were really starting up

1046
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,480
you still got newsletters it was a time

1047
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,960
of vhs dvds were coming into play but we

1048
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,480
didn't have the kind of social media

1049
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,000
that we have now

1050
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,240
was there ever rumors of a document like

1051
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,240
this floating out there or any parts of

1052
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,560
it being available in the public domain

1053
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,400
no and

1054
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,320
i'm trying to think if

1055
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,240
richard dolan

1056
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:22,640
said he was shown two pages of the of

1057
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,880
the wilson davis document in 2006

1058
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,720
yeah i know he did lectures on it i'm

1059
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,960
not sure if he mentioned during those

1060
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,079
lectures

1061
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,520
if he had seen those two pages but

1062
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,079
richard was nice enough to tell me

1063
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,119
who showed him those two pages in 2006

1064
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:43,359
and if people knew it would change minds

1065
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,640
about the validity of the document um

1066
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,560
i know people get frustrated i'm just

1067
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,400
i'm just adding that was part of my

1068
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,079
process of coming to the realization

1069
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,160
that that was this was legitimate and it

1070
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,440
was the entire time andy i mean i was up

1071
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,599
and down you can ask giuliano i was like

1072
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,880
you know what

1073
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,960
i believe this happened and then i would

1074
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,040
i would see a denial from admiral wilson

1075
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,440
i'm like maybe it didn't happen listen

1076
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,160
to this denial it's so good it's so

1077
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,359
thorough i mean i went up and down a lot

1078
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,599
and then just overall i finally came to

1079
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,440
the conclusion in my opinion that the

1080
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,359
meeting happened and then last year i

1081
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,920
had two fantastic sources confirmed to

1082
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:24,320
me people who were in a position to know

1083
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,440
and it's like

1084
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,880
just out of the blue i was like that's

1085
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,640
great i already had my opinion that it

1086
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:30,800
was legit this is just over the top

1087
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,680
thank you very much um

1088
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,920
so i don't think it was really spoken

1089
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,599
about that it was out there i i had

1090
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,200
never heard about it i mean i i knew

1091
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,480
about the original meeting in 97 because

1092
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,160
i heard it on coast to coast in may of

1093
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:46,560
97 i was listening live

1094
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,359
um

1095
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,920
when when greer went on with art bell

1096
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,599
and he mentioned he goes i gave a

1097
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:54,079
briefing to this joint chiefs fella and

1098
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:55,520
i was like i'm listening i'm like that's

1099
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,880
a pretty big deal if that's true um

1100
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,640
and i was given a chance to ask miller

1101
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,720
about that in 2007 and then i was with a

1102
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,720
friend of mine who was not into ufos and

1103
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,760
i kicked myself at the time like i never

1104
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,520
got to ask will about it but i did ask

1105
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,440
him about grier and i was like expecting

1106
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,640
for him to say

1107
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,480
you know grier says a lot of things that

1108
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,000
don't happen he never he never

1109
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,920
bad-mouthed grier whatsoever he did

1110
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,440
break away from grier so make of that

1111
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,280
what you will um

1112
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,599
so yeah the meeting was out there in 97

1113
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,839
when wilson met with greer mitchell

1114
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,119
miller

1115
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,119
grier's assistant and another roswell

1116
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,599
era alleged roswell arrow witness but

1117
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,160
nothing about the documents in 2002 i

1118
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:35,760
had not heard anything about it until

1119
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,800
april of 2019 where giuliano morenkovitz

1120
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,560
said guess what i got guys check this

1121
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,560
out and i read it and i immediately

1122
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,599
flashed back to 2019 1997 when i first

1123
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,839
heard grier talk about it

1124
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:48,800
so

1125
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,839
how did that conversation get out to the

1126
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,240
massey's end in 2019 i believe it was

1127
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,320
leaked through the estate of former

1128
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,240
astronaut edgar mitchell is that correct

1129
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,960
yeah he died in 2016 and his family was

1130
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,000
going to throw out all of his

1131
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,520
ufo-related

1132
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,680
documents anything related to ufos and

1133
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:07,040
then

1134
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,560
i'm not exactly sure of the person who

1135
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,560
went over there to save everything but

1136
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:12,079
there's a man in australia that ross

1137
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:13,599
coltart has spoken about called the

1138
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,119
spaceman he became he became he came

1139
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,880
into possession of all of edgar

1140
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,920
mitchell's ufo-related and space-related

1141
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,720
memorabilia um collection

1142
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,079
and then

1143
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,119
james rigney got a copy of the wilson

1144
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,599
davis he's an australian and the wilson

1145
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,160
davis notes he met up with

1146
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,400
grant cameron in

1147
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,960
2018 at a conference grant cameron was

1148
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,480
about to leave and james rigney said hey

1149
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:42,000
i got something you got two minutes i

1150
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,280
got to show you something and cameron's

1151
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,119
like i gotta leave i gotta leave he goes

1152
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,800
just two minutes and grand cameron

1153
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,560
looked at it saw oak shannon's name and

1154
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,400
right away knew all right this is

1155
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:52,400
legitimate um

1156
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:56,240
how they got onto the internet

1157
00:40:03,270 --> 00:39:57,359
i do

1158
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,280
put them on imgur

1159
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,960
i can't say who it is but i'm supposed

1160
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,960
to talk to that person this week um i

1161
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,240
think it's just an interesting part of

1162
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,000
the story it's not going to give us any

1163
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,599
insight into whether it's you know

1164
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,520
legitimate or not but it's just a part

1165
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,440
of the story um

1166
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,200
so that's how it happened if eric if

1167
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,119
edgar mitchell doesn't die

1168
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,119
or if his family just throws out all of

1169
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,800
his papers we're not here talking about

1170
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,960
this right now he died

1171
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:26,800
you know the documents came out i mean

1172
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,599
eric davis has he gave me a quote for my

1173
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:31,440
wilson davis blog which he knew i was

1174
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,560
working on

1175
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,079
talking about how they leaked from the

1176
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,079
edgar mitchell estate so

1177
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,480
that right there he said they leaked

1178
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,160
from the edgar mitchell estate we could

1179
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,800
talk about also he he he also sought out

1180
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,319
some legal advice from her friend

1181
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,480
co-worker on what he should or shouldn't

1182
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,400
say about purportedly classified

1183
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,560
documents but yeah

1184
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,200
edgar mitchell unfortunately he died but

1185
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,560
because of it that's how we got the

1186
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:56,880
wilson davis documents

1187
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,230
people

1188
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,800
commonly bring up that when someone

1189
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,720
passes away and we could even use like a

1190
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,960
senator harry reid that there are

1191
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,520
rumored death bed videos why don't you

1192
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,760
think we get more from

1193
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,400
people who are of that generation now

1194
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,040
who are are passing away sadly and their

1195
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,760
70s or 80s their 90s you know long may

1196
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,760
they live and and and help out in the

1197
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:25,920
subject or enjoy their life but

1198
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,119
why don't we get more of these folks

1199
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,040
laying stuff out there on video and then

1200
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,040
saying you know what when i pass get

1201
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,480
this information out there because if

1202
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,000
they really want out there that is

1203
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,240
something they could do

1204
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,160
because it's all fake and there's

1205
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,880
nothing to it that's a skeptical side um

1206
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,319
because you would think

1207
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,790
i was gonna say something about a

1208
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,720
deathbed confession

1209
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,480
um yeah you don't we don't have anything

1210
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,040
we've had we've had alleged deathbed

1211
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,200
confessions people are sick you had ross

1212
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,040
coltar talking about

1213
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,440
um nat cole bits i'm not saying his name

1214
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,440
right but he was dying of canter and he

1215
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,680
told roth that he was read into the

1216
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,520
program although he actually never saw

1217
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,000
any craft um

1218
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,960
so deathbed confessions you would think

1219
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,240
yeah you would think there would be a

1220
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,000
ton of them these folks would say listen

1221
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,400
i don't care what my security oath is

1222
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,119
this is such a big story i need to tell

1223
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,040
maybe they don't have first hand

1224
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,800
knowledge not a lot of people have

1225
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,880
first-hand knowledge of this but it's a

1226
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,119
great question and it is a good question

1227
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,359
for skeptics to bring up because

1228
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,040
there's really not there's not a lot out

1229
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,359
there um i'm trying to think you know

1230
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,680
and not please don't take this the wrong

1231
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,240
way hal put off's getting older whatever

1232
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,200
hal knows i hope he gets it out i hope

1233
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,119
he gets it out whatever information he

1234
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,880
has and i hope hal is around for another

1235
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,599
10 15 years i think he's in his 80s as

1236
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,599
far as um senator reid that's what i

1237
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,359
wanted to say yeah there was rumors

1238
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:54,880
people are like oh supposedly he made

1239
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,280
this this video it is going to tell all

1240
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,880
on the video and

1241
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,160
no

1242
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,160
the rumor was nap had i caught george

1243
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,920
knapp had a copy of it and it was to be

1244
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,480
released upon his death i suppose one

1245
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,880
very sensible argument to death deathbed

1246
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,480
confessions would be

1247
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,480
as morbid as they are and morally

1248
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,800
questionable that these people tend to

1249
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,480
leave behind families and they wouldn't

1250
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,480
want to leave anything that you know

1251
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,839
it'd be very easy for a government

1252
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,280
official or you know

1253
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:23,440
private contractor to say you know we

1254
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,880
know what you know and if this gets out

1255
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:26,000
we'll make life difficult for your

1256
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,680
family you know and that doesn't have to

1257
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,359
be you know we'll turn up and you know

1258
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:31,520
kill them yeah it can be like jobs and

1259
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,720
you know they'll lose their job they'll

1260
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,079
lose their house you know we can make

1261
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,599
things difficult and in that case you're

1262
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,359
like well is that the legacy i want to

1263
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,599
leave for for my family so that's that's

1264
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,760
that's a potential reason

1265
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,960
it's funny you brought you bring up

1266
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,720
family members just real quick uh kevin

1267
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,480
randle's new book about roswell he talks

1268
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,480
about bodies and the evidence for bodies

1269
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,920
and a lot of the evidence is family

1270
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,839
members who were told

1271
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,720
from their family member yes i i i saw

1272
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,480
the bodies and there was also first-hand

1273
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,640
witnesses but we don't have a body so

1274
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,480
those are great stories it's great it's

1275
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,640
interesting crash retrievals but we

1276
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,560
don't have the evidence yet so i'm still

1277
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:06,319
on that boat where i i really want to

1278
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,599
see it for myself

1279
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,839
and joe i've said regarding roswell i

1280
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,680
love the case i think it's the case that

1281
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,920
90 percent of us get involved in the ufo

1282
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,160
subject as a child hearing about roswell

1283
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,920
and you and it was a one easy one to

1284
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,359
find out about

1285
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,119
maybe newer generations are finding out

1286
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,640
about nimitz and all that kind of stuff

1287
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,760
first but

1288
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,839
roswell it's like the grandchildren of

1289
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,680
the people involved are now passed on so

1290
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,200
whenever you hear about

1291
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,640
people calling for the congressional

1292
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,640
hearings you know get let's get roswell

1293
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,760
out there and you're like well who

1294
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,440
because even the people who covered up

1295
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,960
the cover-up

1296
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,280
aren't alive anymore so

1297
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,040
your people who take what took over

1298
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:44,000
projects or programs or stove pipes that

1299
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,440
branched off and branched off and

1300
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,520
branched off probably have a knowledge

1301
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,359
but they weren't involved they just know

1302
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,200
of something that happened because they

1303
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,119
took over something three generations

1304
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,119
down the line so it's one of those that

1305
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,440
roswell's a fantastic and part of lore

1306
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,359
and always will be but there's only so

1307
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,720
much you can do there comes a point

1308
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,720
where like you say it's it's someone's

1309
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,800
grandkids grandkid who's writing books

1310
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,200
now on it and you know

1311
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,800
yeah it happens in this subject people

1312
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,400
can take advantage of things especially

1313
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:12,079
the further on they go but i won't go

1314
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,440
into that with too much yeah it's it's

1315
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,200
frustrating um you would think you know

1316
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,400
i've been at this since 96 and i don't

1317
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,720
usually get frustrated but i am starting

1318
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,200
to get to that point a little bit um and

1319
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,720
eric davis i tweeted out some stuff

1320
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,359
today eric davis no doubt um raw he

1321
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:29,680
believes roswell was legitimate you know

1322
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,560
um

1323
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:32,160
he had access you know john alexander

1324
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,520
said it was a weather balloon he's like

1325
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,720
well

1326
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,720
uh and he also thought uh alexander

1327
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,800
thought corso was telling a little some

1328
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,119
fibs and and davis is like i had access

1329
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,720
to information john alexander did not

1330
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,000
have access to and then we have louis

1331
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,760
lozando talking about it is lou just

1332
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,000
making it up is it all a cover that's

1333
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,920
the skeptical side is it all a cover for

1334
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:52,240
our technology that's the psyop

1335
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,680
everything we've heard for the last 70

1336
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,839
years is really just a cover-up for

1337
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,400
human technology and i am open-minded to

1338
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,400
every possibility i don't think that's

1339
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,839
the case but

1340
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,079
it's time mandy it's time to put up a

1341
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,839
shut up we have congress involved it

1342
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,240
should not take five more years for us

1343
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,480
to see some of this evidence so just a

1344
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,040
little a little frustrated at this point

1345
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,200
as we record this set i had to put back

1346
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,800
my interview with john alexander and

1347
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,560
that is now tomorrow night as we speak

1348
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,760
so that is something that is getting

1349
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:22,079
brought up with with mr alexander you

1350
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,440
could also say in the wilson davis

1351
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:24,480
document

1352
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,160
oak shannon in parenthesis it says j a

1353
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,720
is a liar which we think that's john

1354
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,640
alexander you have anything to say about

1355
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,680
that

1356
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:36,000
um and then you have all the mylab stuff

1357
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,520
that people are bringing up how john

1358
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,680
alexander is being seen in these my lab

1359
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,880
abductions

1360
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:43,280
um john alexander is another lightning

1361
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,560
rod there are people that don't like

1362
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,839
them there are people who i know people

1363
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,359
who are like he's the sweetest man the

1364
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,240
guy's amazing i i'm i'm in the middle i

1365
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,560
don't i you know i've spoken to him i've

1366
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,319
asked him questions when atip came out

1367
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:56,079
i'm like why did you say before at came

1368
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,280
out you said there were no government

1369
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,280
ufo programs he's like i didn't know

1370
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:02,000
about it like well now i'm looking asap

1371
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,200
came out later you didn't know about

1372
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,359
assaf of course you did but maybe he

1373
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,800
just wasn't allowed to speak about it so

1374
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,720
he had to lie i mean which i understand

1375
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,000
you know if you're asked point blank

1376
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,400
about something you can't talk about

1377
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,240
it's kind of hard to get around it by

1378
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,319
without lying it's like otherwise you

1379
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,160
give away it's like well i really can't

1380
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,839
talk about that that would that that

1381
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,359
answer would give away that there is

1382
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,720
something there so he might have been in

1383
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:25,040
a bad position there um

1384
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,319
so

1385
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,160
and and the document itself you have

1386
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,559
mentioned a lot of names uh

1387
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,920
and some of the background but just to

1388
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,200
run through them if there's any that

1389
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,640
stand out to you as people of real

1390
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,319
importance i'd like you just to shout

1391
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,640
out um so oak shannon is someone you've

1392
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,240
mentioned several times what was zog

1393
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:42,079
shannon's background again you cannot

1394
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,599
talk about the document and whether or

1395
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:45,040
not this really happened without

1396
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,480
mentioning oak shannon so he was a

1397
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,280
physicist um he worked at los alamos

1398
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,000
from 88 to 2000 before that in the

1399
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:54,800
documents uh wilson says they had a you

1400
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:57,599
know they were in the navy together

1401
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:58,559
close

1402
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,440
um

1403
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,280
he trusted oak shannon to set up this

1404
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,520
interview with davis he trusted his word

1405
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,680
uh they go way back in the navy if you

1406
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,240
believe the documents and i would think

1407
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:10,000
an investigative reporter with the

1408
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:11,119
proper

1409
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,280
look back into that and find pictures of

1410
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,680
them or something because admiral wilson

1411
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,960
now says

1412
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,280
i don't know the guy it's like i forget

1413
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,280
the exact word and he said um totally

1414
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,440
unknown to me so now wilson is saying

1415
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,440
oak shannon is totally unknown to him

1416
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,040
oak shannon who billy cox has

1417
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,000
interviewed multiple times and said

1418
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,960
i know both eric davis this was a few

1419
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,440
years ago he goes i know both eric davis

1420
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,760
and i know admiral wilson if this has

1421
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,079
caused admiral wilson any embarrassment

1422
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,200
i apologize um and then he followed up

1423
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,640
by saying yes i

1424
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,040
he was told well admiral wilson says he

1425
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,520
doesn't know you and oak shannon you

1426
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,880
could tell he doesn't want to lie he

1427
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,400
doesn't want to contradict admiral

1428
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,359
wilson he's like i'm not going to

1429
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,240
contradict him i'll just say i know

1430
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,240
tom wilson he goes well i knew tom

1431
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,720
wilson will put it that way and maybe

1432
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,400
i'm just a face or person that you

1433
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,480
forget easily he's letting wilson off

1434
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,800
the hook it's obvious they knew each

1435
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,839
other

1436
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,839
and and i don't understand why somebody

1437
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,760
who has the resources hasn't gone and

1438
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,280
checked those records i don't know how

1439
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,119
to do that i've looked on google which

1440
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,280
has been i find pictures of ocean and

1441
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,040
i'm like please let me find ok shannon

1442
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,800
and tom wilson together i have not found

1443
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,119
that but i think somebody on a national

1444
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,280
level can do that you know and find that

1445
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,440
and i and i did i've spoken about this

1446
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,760
on twitter and i did put i put in my own

1447
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,839
foia with the national

1448
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,599
national nuclear

1449
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,079
security agency um where

1450
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,640
they sponsored the trip from wilson

1451
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,359
for wilson to go to vegas and i spoke to

1452
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,720
them i'm like i want to get records

1453
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,400
anything of him being in vegas and the

1454
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,319
ladies who was so nice from the foia

1455
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,400
department she goes most likely we're

1456
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,680
not going to have anything from back

1457
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,200
then and we're not going to keep records

1458
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,119
from then you can look she goes we'll

1459
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,880
try and she tried and she said we got

1460
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,559
nothing um

1461
00:50:01,270 --> 00:50:00,000
there's got to be something though andy

1462
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,280
there's got to be something if he came

1463
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,720
on that trip it was a retirement trip

1464
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,480
according to the notes saying goodbye

1465
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:06,319
tying up some loose ends there's got to

1466
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,520
be something there maybe there's a

1467
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,760
picture somewhere here in vegas i need

1468
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,160
to go visit some museum and like oh my

1469
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,839
god there's a picture of wilson and oak

1470
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,240
i mean wilson at you know in 2002 in

1471
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,760
vegas because he says he hasn't been to

1472
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,240
vegas since 1979 he goes i don't know

1473
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,520
how i can prove it but i haven't been to

1474
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:24,160
vegas since 79. i don't know eric davis

1475
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,839
i wouldn't recognize him if he walked in

1476
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,520
so it's like this just denial after

1477
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,520
denial but then the oak shannon denial

1478
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,280
is problematic and even billy cox

1479
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,880
noticed it when he wrote about it

1480
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,200
because oak shannon is a very biblical

1481
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,800
religious man i don't think he's going

1482
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,880
to make up a relationship with tom

1483
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,960
wilson it's a shame there was no

1484
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,400
facebook back then and we could just go

1485
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:44,400
back and see i know wilson checked in in

1486
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,160
vegas 2002 october 16th

1487
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,760
i looked at that i looked on facebook

1488
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,599
see if there was any let's see let's see

1489
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:53,440
if oak shannon is friends with tom

1490
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,559
wilson

1491
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,240
i looked for the heck of it but i did

1492
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,400
not find that um and i wrote to oak

1493
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,920
shannon um he did not write back but

1494
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,359
yeah i helped a little out i helped

1495
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,960
billy out a little bit on that and he

1496
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,880
got a hold of oak shannon and asked him

1497
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,480
again you sure you're you sure you know

1498
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,480
tom wilson he's like i know tom wilson

1499
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,240
um like i said that's a big part of the

1500
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,319
story if you if you really think that

1501
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,480
oak shannon is lying about that i i just

1502
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,760
don't know i don't know what to tell

1503
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,720
people

1504
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,720
a very well-known name that appears

1505
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,160
multiple times in the document and

1506
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,680
you've mentioned multiple times here as

1507
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,760
well we have to discuss is dr steven

1508
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,559
greer now i i've said before on the

1509
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:30,000
podcast and to be fair in the last

1510
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,200
couple of months we've had a whole

1511
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,880
influx of new listeners and viewers so

1512
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,240
hello if you're if you're newer to the

1513
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,240
podcast especially off the back of the

1514
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,160
jeremy corbell and luella's ondo

1515
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,160
interviews the last couple of months

1516
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,480
um i've said before for the record like

1517
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:44,079
stephen graham it's just my opinion you

1518
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,599
know make up your own mind as with any

1519
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,079
of this subject please but i think he

1520
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,800
came into the subject back in those

1521
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,079
early years

1522
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,400
with the best of intentions and and with

1523
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,480
a good network with good contacts and as

1524
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,640
we know from this document as well he

1525
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,800
did brief people at a high level on on

1526
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,559
various different aspects of the ufo

1527
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,200
subject or at least was involved

1528
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,200
i think things changed as time went on

1529
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,680
for stephen greer and maybe that was the

1530
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,000
the monetary side of it maybe his views

1531
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,920
got a little bit mixed with a few

1532
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,920
different notions and

1533
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,160
who knows i just think that the stephen

1534
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,920
grier and his intent now is very

1535
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,960
different to what it would have been

1536
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,720
back then that's that's my opinion just

1537
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,200
for for anyone curious and i get stephen

1538
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,920
greer has a lot of fans out there um

1539
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,119
for you

1540
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,119
what was steven greer's part in all of

1541
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,720
this because like you say his name comes

1542
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,720
up within the document itself

1543
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,640
i agree i mean i feel the same way about

1544
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,480
grier um

1545
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,800
did wonderful things in 2000 when he had

1546
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:43,280
the disclosure project witnesses come in

1547
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,800
uh there were some there's some

1548
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,480
questionable witnesses in there and eric

1549
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:48,000
davis has spoken about that in some

1550
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,599
interviews he called it the shotgun

1551
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,520
approach you know just collect as much

1552
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,520
as you can witness-wise there were some

1553
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,119
witnesses that were not great he goes

1554
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,559
but there were some in there that were

1555
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,480
really good related to crash retrievals

1556
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,240
he wouldn't go into specifics eric davis

1557
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:03,200
wouldn't as far as who that was um

1558
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:04,559
and then

1559
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,280
i don't know how it happened but

1560
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,960
dr stephen greer was able to get will

1561
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,119
miller as his military advisor and will

1562
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,240
miller is just amazing he's like

1563
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,800
leslie kane in her book

1564
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,720
she called him a true insider of the

1565
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,400
highest order i think that's exactly

1566
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:22,000
what she said and

1567
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,280
so

1568
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,280
97

1569
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,920
he's his military advisor actually 95

1570
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,440
this is something a lot of people don't

1571
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,599
know will miller writes a letter to

1572
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,559
admiral wilson in 1995 saying hey

1573
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,839
you know

1574
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,680
miller had been briefing people his

1575
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,079
entire career about ufos because miller

1576
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,559
had an experience in 1970 in vietnam

1577
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,440
where uso went underneath his destroyer

1578
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,520
so it and his his father and grandfather

1579
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,040
were involved in the space program but

1580
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,760
his encounter in vietnam and the gulf of

1581
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,000
tonkin that sparked his interest so

1582
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:57,040
he was very well worse very well versed

1583
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:58,319
in the subject and he would brief

1584
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,520
higher-ups in the pentagon the

1585
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,200
government and the military

1586
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,520
so he wrote to tom wilson who he knew i

1587
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,119
forget exactly how they how they knew

1588
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,720
each other i think

1589
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,079
they served together in the atlantic

1590
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:10,160
command i'm not sure about that but they

1591
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,599
did know each other he wrote a letter

1592
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,839
hey i i'm giving briefings blah blah

1593
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,680
blah steven greer would be the point

1594
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,720
person

1595
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,520
uh i met edgar mitchell recently and

1596
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,760
another astronaut brian o'leary he goes

1597
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,200
i would love to set up a briefing at

1598
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,800
your convenience

1599
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,839
and

1600
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,680
by the way i'm including some recipes

1601
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,599
for mrs wilson so yeah they knew each

1602
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,520
other so that was 95.

1603
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,040
the meeting doesn't happen the briefing

1604
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,680
doesn't happen until 97. two years later

1605
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,720
so it's

1606
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,559
stephen greer

1607
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,880
will miller edgar mitchell the six man

1608
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,040
who walked on the moon cheri damiak

1609
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,760
who's will grier's assistant and then

1610
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,240
lufkin stephen lufkin who's a alleged

1611
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,599
roswell era witness they go in

1612
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,359
wilson there are other people there but

1613
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,599
wilson so they sit down and they talk to

1614
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,839
him and greer is there and i was told

1615
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,240
greer really didn't need to be there um

1616
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,319
but greer was there um it could have

1617
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,480
taken place with adam and greer claims

1618
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,480
that he had this document an nro

1619
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,280
document that had code names and

1620
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,280
he sent it ahead before the meeting and

1621
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,880
said here this is how you can get access

1622
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,880
to some of these programs here you go

1623
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,640
and greer claims that was the impetus

1624
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,720
for all of this and and wilson used it

1625
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,559
to go searching for this special access

1626
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,920
program but if you look at the wilson

1627
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,000
davis notes and john greenwald did a

1628
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,559
great video on the nro and it may be

1629
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,319
fake i'm not sure there are some people

1630
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,640
who still totally defend that document i

1631
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:32,559
don't know i don't for me i don't care

1632
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,240
because i never made a big deal about it

1633
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,400
if you read the wilson davis documents

1634
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,079
there's not one mention of the nro

1635
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,640
document so whatever maybe wilson told

1636
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,480
him yeah yeah we used it maybe he was

1637
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,240
just placating greer i don't know but

1638
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,079
it's not in the documents so they have

1639
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:47,839
the

1640
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,079
two-hour private meeting between miller

1641
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,240
and wilson uh

1642
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,119
miller denied that to me but there is a

1643
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,880
confidential list of all of the

1644
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,559
briefings that miller gave that leslie

1645
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,559
keane has a copy of somebody else has a

1646
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:04,880
copy of so if that did happen whenever

1647
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:07,280
those confidential you know leslie keane

1648
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:08,640
if she ever decides to let it out which

1649
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,520
he probably wouldn't because it's

1650
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,440
confidential there is a record of all of

1651
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:13,359
his briefings of folks he's briefed in

1652
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:17,040
the pentagon they also briefed in

1653
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,799
early december i'm not sure it was early

1654
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,359
2008 but they also briefed wilson's boss

1655
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,880
patrick hughes who was the director of

1656
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,960
the dia at the time so they briefed him

1657
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,079
at his

1658
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,559
he wanted an ex but expedited briefing

1659
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,000
because he had somebody in his family

1660
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,680
had an experience

1661
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:33,760
i have suspicions about what happened

1662
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,359
and it may have been something negative

1663
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,720
related to his family but i have not

1664
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,559
been able to confirm that

1665
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:41,520
like hitchhiker type event or no it's

1666
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,640
like whatever happened may have caused

1667
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,119
me this is i don't remember the details

1668
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,359
that may have caused suicide of his

1669
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,440
father and please don't quote me on that

1670
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,839
folks but there was something negative

1671
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,079
anyway hughes wanted the briefing

1672
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,079
expedited for because his family was

1673
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,839
having personal experiences i don't know

1674
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,920
what happened and don't like i said i

1675
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,920
may be wrong about that i'm pretty sure

1676
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,280
grier mentions it in one of his

1677
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,880
documentaries and then he cries and

1678
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,960
people make fun of him for crying but i

1679
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,720
think it might be related to patrick

1680
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,440
hughes and his family i'm not sure um so

1681
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,440
he got briefed too and bri and patrick

1682
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,359
hughes is like i've asked about ufos and

1683
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,359
i'm not told anything he goes here's a

1684
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,359
doll of an et this is what i'm told they

1685
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,200
don't want to tell me anything and

1686
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,880
miller is like that's how it is they

1687
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,480
give them plausible deniability they

1688
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,559
will not brief those higher ups that's

1689
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,240
why when you know

1690
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,160
people make an example of uh you know

1691
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:36,720
lou alazano talks about

1692
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,109
secretary of defense mattis you know

1693
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:43,280
they never let him get briefed probably

1694
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,319
because

1695
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,319
that's plausible deniability so if

1696
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,079
mattis has ever asked on their oath what

1697
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:50,000
do you know about ufos he could honestly

1698
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,520
tell the truth and say i don't know

1699
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,359
that's just the norm

1700
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:55,040
to protect those people

1701
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,440
so they brief 97 april of 97 those folks

1702
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:00,799
brief miller

1703
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,440
brief wilson and then wilson goes

1704
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,200
searching it takes him two months to

1705
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,799
find this

1706
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,799
crash retrieval reverse engineering

1707
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,559
program he calls them

1708
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:11,920
on the phone

1709
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,760
goes down for a meeting and then the

1710
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,839
rest of it as we said they told him

1711
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,000
sorry sir i know what your position is

1712
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,319
but you do not have a need to know um

1713
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,240
and grier has greer has spoken about

1714
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,480
this spoken about this over the years

1715
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,640
important player in all of this but the

1716
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:29,119
whole nro document how much of a role if

1717
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,799
any it played like i said last year i

1718
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,359
was told it played zero role i did not

1719
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,040
know that when i wrote the document so

1720
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,720
people criticize me they're like well

1721
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,079
you mentioned it you know you haven't

1722
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,920
updated your blog no i haven't updated

1723
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,839
my blog but

1724
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,760
like i said last year

1725
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,319
the source who i trust said

1726
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,640
no that nro document it's such a red

1727
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,240
herring andy it doesn't matter read the

1728
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,160
notes there's nothing about the nro in

1729
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,000
there nothing about that document who

1730
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:57,040
cares you know um and also people are

1731
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,559
like why are you spending so much time

1732
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,400
on the documents when

1733
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,920
we're the most important story is

1734
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,000
whether or not there's a crash retrieval

1735
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,680
retrieval program who cares about wilson

1736
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,359
and davis who cares

1737
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,880
that's that's going to be a buy you know

1738
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,920
it's going to be

1739
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:12,160
if we get if we if we get any any

1740
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,520
evidence that there's a crash retrieval

1741
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,640
program people are not going to want to

1742
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,720
talk to wilson who cares he was denied

1743
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,880
access great but for me i spent so much

1744
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:20,799
time on it and the human side of me does

1745
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,119
want to say i told you you know because

1746
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,960
the denials are so ridiculous i

1747
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:27,119
understand being people being skeptical

1748
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,839
but

1749
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,200
for me

1750
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,119
looking at all the evidence even taking

1751
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:33,040
out my sources i've spoken to i think

1752
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,319
it's obvious the meeting happened

1753
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,640
but hopefully a year from now we're like

1754
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,400
who cares look at this there's a crash

1755
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,839
retrieval program i don't care if

1756
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,760
admiral wilson was turned down i mean it

1757
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,280
does tell you about how there's no

1758
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,200
oversight with these programs if this is

1759
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,520
true and that's a problem but the story

1760
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:51,040
is the crash retrieval program not the

1761
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,319
documents

1762
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,240
let me ask it in the time since you've

1763
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,319
written your your mega blog you know

1764
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:58,480
mega pints a word in the lexicon now you

1765
01:00:02,710 --> 00:59:59,839
had to make a blog before the

1766
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,720
paint was a thing the mega what the mega

1767
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,160
pink you know johnny depp's made the

1768
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,559
mega pint promise yeah yeah um you've

1769
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:08,799
got the mega blog uh are there any

1770
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:11,760
aspects of the document that you think

1771
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,559
know

1772
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,359
or at the time potentially contains

1773
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,079
false information for for any particular

1774
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:20,160
reason i don't think false information

1775
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:21,520
but what gives me a surprise is they

1776
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:23,040
talk about the bigot list people who

1777
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,400
would be read into the program and it

1778
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,680
says 400 to 800 people that seems like a

1779
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:29,440
lot of people for such a closely held

1780
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,640
program

1781
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:33,040
um if that's true

1782
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,559
there's going to be a lot of people that

1783
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,480
can be subpoenaed and put under oath to

1784
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,960
speak about this program like say it say

1785
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,880
it's been going on for

1786
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,960
since the late 40s that could make sense

1787
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:45,040
that many years that many people um eric

1788
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,000
davis

1789
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,720
i pulled up a tweet today where he says

1790
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,240
one of his interviews that the program

1791
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:52,000
was buried so deep

1792
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,440
to hide it from the

1793
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,280
collins elite folks who think all of

1794
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,440
this is satanic and do whatever they can

1795
01:01:02,630 --> 01:00:59,680
when they get in positions of power to

1796
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,640
kill any ufo-related program so davis

1797
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,880
says it was buried to keep it from those

1798
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,799
morons that's a quote

1799
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,640
eric davis does not hold back

1800
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:10,799
um

1801
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,079
people like if he's telling the truth

1802
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,640
that bob lazar who who claims he worked

1803
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,960
on you know a flying saucer reverse

1804
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,240
engineering there would have been other

1805
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,720
people working on it if they did indeed

1806
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:24,319
have multiple flying saucers you would

1807
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,599
imagine

1808
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,440
there might be small teams working on

1809
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:29,680
them but those teams come and go if the

1810
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,240
progress has been slow over the decades

1811
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:34,079
as you see and eventually almost grown

1812
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,119
to a halt

1813
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,200
you probably would have a high churn

1814
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:39,119
rate of people where it's you know i've

1815
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,559
got joe and i've got andy they're

1816
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,640
working on this this is their background

1817
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,480
theater theoretical physics advanced

1818
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:46,240
quantum physics all that kind of stuff

1819
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:47,760
they're not making much progress let's

1820
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:49,359
get them out let's get another couple of

1821
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:50,400
folks in

1822
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,760
and then that happening in multiple

1823
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:53,680
locations yeah you could see why that

1824
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:57,440
could be a 400 to 800 people list

1825
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,400
yeah and

1826
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,200
and in in the notes it talks about one

1827
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,440
intact craft so nothing about bob

1828
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:04,720
lazar's

1829
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:07,599
i think he said nine yeah crafty saw at

1830
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,799
area 51. um it's funny because

1831
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,039
eric davis thinks bob lazar is not

1832
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,640
telling the truth

1833
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,720
i you know if you read the documents

1834
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,400
it's interesting i'm not sure if it says

1835
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,559
in here or in one i think it's one of

1836
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:22,480
one of eric davis interviews he said the

1837
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,240
program was put into hibernation in 1989

1838
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,599
throughout the years it happens where

1839
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,960
they put it into hibernation and they

1840
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,720
wait for technology to advance and then

1841
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,000
they bring it out of hibernation and

1842
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,480
they try again to back reverse engineer

1843
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,920
and they fail because they can't make

1844
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,240
heads and tails out of the technology so

1845
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:40,799
bob lazar supposedly had his

1846
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,319
work he worked at area 51 s4 in 1989 so

1847
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,920
at that point i'm like maybe there is

1848
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,920
some truth to lazar and i've been 50 50

1849
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,839
on lazar for a long time

1850
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:51,440
like i said eric davis does not believe

1851
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:53,200
him eric uh george knapp and corbell

1852
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,559
believe him 100

1853
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:56,720
i'm friends with all of those folks so

1854
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,359
and i stay 50 50 not to placate them if

1855
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,359
i thought he was totally full of crap i

1856
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,359
would say so i don't know but there are

1857
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,520
people out there who like say how could

1858
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:07,920
you not know it's he's obviously lying

1859
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:09,440
and then you got the other side so i try

1860
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:11,440
to avoid it such a it's such a it's such

1861
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,640
a controversial he's such a

1862
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:14,640
controversial subject i do love the

1863
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,680
story

1864
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,280
whether or not it's real or not i love

1865
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:19,280
the blizzard story yes speaking with a

1866
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,880
friend of mine yeah it's a great story i

1867
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,480
went to see the premiere of his his

1868
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,559
documentary in la it was fun he was

1869
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,319
there um

1870
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,839
but i don't know i really don't know

1871
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,280
about that as far as

1872
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,440
how many people worked on it yeah it

1873
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:34,000
still seems like a lot 400 to 800 i mean

1874
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,920
they mentioned four programs in here

1875
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,000
wilson found four ufo related programs

1876
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:40,319
that number comes up in other places i

1877
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,599
don't think they would all be reverse

1878
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:43,599
engineering it could be biology if there

1879
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:46,160
are bodies um really one important thing

1880
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,520
that

1881
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:49,119
you know edgar mitchell started speaking

1882
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:50,240
about this

1883
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,520
in 2007 uh juliano set up an interview

1884
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,000
and you know he was talking about how

1885
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,000
you know he went to visit a high level

1886
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:00,480
off office and he was told

1887
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,559
yeah you know you cannot have access to

1888
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,480
that and then edgar mitchell was on

1889
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:07,039
larry king in 2008 um and he told the

1890
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,799
story he said you know i went to the

1891
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:10,400
pentagon for a meeting with the

1892
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,599
intelligence committee of the joint

1893
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:13,119
chiefs of staff and this gentleman a

1894
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,280
vice admiral said you know he should be

1895
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,280
in charge um

1896
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,599
and then we got calls from him from him

1897
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,440
sometime later i believe

1898
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,359
wilson called miller i don't i don't

1899
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:24,960
believe he called greer although greer

1900
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:26,720
claims wilson called him i think it was

1901
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,520
miller was the point man um we got calls

1902
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,200
from him later saying he found the

1903
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:33,280
people responsible for the cover-up and

1904
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,640
the people who are in the know and he

1905
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,880
was told i'm sorry admiral you do not

1906
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,400
have a need to know

1907
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,720
and so goodbye because people are saying

1908
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:42,799
this document really really just was a

1909
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,520
throwaway document a script so edgar

1910
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:47,039
mitchell was dumb enough to just take a

1911
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,799
script into his private collection and

1912
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:50,640
he's telling the story but more

1913
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,000
importantly

1914
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,039
in 2010 he was interviewed for h

1915
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:57,359
magazine and it's important he goes

1916
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:58,960
um

1917
01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:01,039
greer told commander miller who called

1918
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,079
me

1919
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:03,839
and like i said

1920
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:06,079
miller is the point person i don't know

1921
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,160
if mitchell was trying to protect miller

1922
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:10,240
miller called me and said yes greer

1923
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,920
heard from the admiral i don't believe

1924
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:13,440
that um

1925
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:15,039
and people are like what do you believe

1926
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,559
you believe some stuff and not well when

1927
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:18,079
it's greer it's a little questionable

1928
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,000
but miller was the point man as far as i

1929
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,480
know it says quote yes greer heard from

1930
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:24,000
the admiral and he's confirmed that

1931
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:25,440
there was an office in the pentagon

1932
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,160
funding all of this subsequently another

1933
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:30,480
contact of mine this is mitchell who

1934
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:32,799
must also remain nameless because he's

1935
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:35,920
on classified programs that's eric davis

1936
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:38,480
encountered the admiral in las vegas

1937
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,160
where he had been looking for and trying

1938
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,880
to get into the so-called strategic

1939
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,520
access program around the ufo incident

1940
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:47,680
and had been denied so that's edgar

1941
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,400
mitchell in 2010

1942
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,760
so it's like

1943
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,920
that's telling you the story and also on

1944
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,000
larry king he said

1945
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,720
he mentioned a report he goes

1946
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:01,200
we got calls from wilson later and then

1947
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:02,960
a report which i think is the wilson

1948
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:05,119
davis notes and

1949
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,079
there were

1950
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,920
more than just there are other people

1951
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:10,000
jacques vale needs to be asked when did

1952
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,520
you get your notes because he's been

1953
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,119
asked about this but he wasn't really

1954
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:15,200
pressed um it was a very small amount of

1955
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,480
people who had it

1956
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:19,200
hal hodoff would have it um

1957
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,559
more people need to be asked but like i

1958
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,760
said the story is really not the

1959
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,440
documents but for me

1960
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:25,599
i like the story i don't get tired of it

1961
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,640
i've read this so many times andy i mean

1962
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,640
i still can't comprehend every name and

1963
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:32,240
every detail of what everybody did in

1964
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:35,200
this document but it's um

1965
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:37,440
it's an interesting read for me

1966
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,640
and

1967
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,000
the same players have mentioned hal put

1968
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,599
off kit green that's another question

1969
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:43,520
that comes up why is it the same people

1970
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:46,720
over and over again eric davis hal put

1971
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,839
off kit green gary nolan jacques valet

1972
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,680
because there's only a small amount of

1973
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:53,119
people who are willing to look into the

1974
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,640
subject and have their name attached to

1975
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,720
ufos that's always been a problem it's

1976
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:58,559
still a problem you have travis taylor

1977
01:07:01,589 --> 01:07:00,480
now coming out head of the uap task

1978
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,599
force well

1979
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:03,200
it's the same thing there's not a lot of

1980
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:04,559
people who are willing to attach their

1981
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:05,760
name to it so you're going to see the

1982
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,760
same people i hope that changes into my

1983
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:09,680
lifetime where it's like every scientist

1984
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:11,119
wants to get in on this and give their

1985
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,799
opinion and look at the evidence it has

1986
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,880
not happened yet

1987
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,280
have you ever heard of similar meetings

1988
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,520
taking place with anyone either the

1989
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,440
folks you've just named there or

1990
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,760
otherwise that just aren't as well known

1991
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,000
as this well kit green told uh richard

1992
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:28,559
dawn and i'm going my memory

1993
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,799
that he was told on several occasions

1994
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,559
that he would be read into the big

1995
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:35,280
mother of all ufo programs you're going

1996
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,039
to get access to the top program and

1997
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:39,839
every time it never happened

1998
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:42,319
so

1999
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,480
in a similar incident which eric

2000
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,480
weinstein said recently you know who he

2001
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:48,319
is the mathematician who's yes

2002
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,000
admittedly he was wrong he's quite vocal

2003
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,640
on ufos

2004
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:54,079
and he said something really interesting

2005
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:55,599
the other day because we heard sam

2006
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:58,160
harris speak about how supposedly people

2007
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,839
contacted him trying to get he's they're

2008
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:01,280
going to use him to get out information

2009
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:03,520
about romans oh yeah well eric weinstein

2010
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:04,559
said

2011
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:08,319
anyway i don't want to butcher his name

2012
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,680
he said that he was told he was going to

2013
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,520
be shown more information

2014
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:12,720
you know i don't know if he was going to

2015
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,680
be read in and he said every time

2016
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,880
they got to the point where they were

2017
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,239
going to show them

2018
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,400
show him it didn't happen which matches

2019
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,719
what cr kit green said so

2020
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,560
the skeptical side of me says that's

2021
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,319
because they don't have anything they're

2022
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,600
never going to show you they're going to

2023
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,120
keep they're going to keep running you

2024
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:31,679
know keep tagging you along but you're

2025
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,239
never going to get to see anything um we

2026
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,799
never get to hear congress say

2027
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,199
i can't tell you i can't show you what i

2028
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,279
saw but i could describe what i saw why

2029
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:43,040
not why can't you why can't these people

2030
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:44,319
describe what they're seeing in these

2031
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,239
videos we have not even gotten that so

2032
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:48,000
now i sound like now i sound like a

2033
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,759
debunker see what you brought out in me

2034
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,359
andy

2035
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,359
well listen let's bring that phil circle

2036
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,120
i mentioned that this has come back into

2037
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,000
the conversation as we talk in 2022

2038
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,000
because of congressman mike gallagher

2039
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,920
submitting the wilson davis memo into

2040
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:04,319
public record now that doesn't mean the

2041
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,279
documents are legitimate

2042
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:10,239
but it's it's a huge thing and i think i

2043
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,759
the first thing i tweeted during the

2044
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:13,600
hearings do i watch them live in my

2045
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,480
kitchen

2046
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,560
was um when i heard that mentioned i

2047
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:17,920
think i went straight onto twitter and

2048
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,319
said somewhere joe marja just let a huge

2049
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:23,279
scream uh and i didn't i didn't i didn't

2050
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,960
i just was your reaction though when you

2051
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,560
heard that

2052
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,239
i was i was calm i was you know i was

2053
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:30,560
going live so i had i had my mic open

2054
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:32,239
i'm not sure but i didn't really say

2055
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,279
much

2056
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:36,000
i wasn't shocked i was surprised

2057
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,359
it hit me later on and then

2058
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:41,040
i can only say that gallagher is not

2059
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,719
letting this go so there's more there

2060
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:44,560
there there there will be more related

2061
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:47,839
to that um but all you need to see is is

2062
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,920
nolan talking about how we're so close

2063
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:52,319
to immunity and anybody related to these

2064
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,640
crash retrieval programs if they exist

2065
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:56,640
they need immunity and if that language

2066
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:58,640
is finished that's going to be a huge

2067
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,159
thing once again i don't know if the

2068
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,800
public's going to see it

2069
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:05,040
but that was a big deal i mean and i

2070
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,480
know like you said it doesn't mean

2071
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,080
anything it doesn't prove the documents

2072
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:09,840
are real but if anybody thought that

2073
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:11,840
gallagher did that without doing his due

2074
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:14,239
diligence and looking into that i think

2075
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:15,760
i think they would be wrong to assume

2076
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:18,159
that gallagher was very very sharp and

2077
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,760
he came out of nowhere i didn't know who

2078
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,440
the guy was beforehand yeah so we you

2079
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:23,040
know we have rubio we have julibrand we

2080
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,560
have gallego now we have mike gallagher

2081
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,719
yeah and particularly for those of us

2082
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,360
outside of the us sometimes i i'll get

2083
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,960
the odd comment from listeners and

2084
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,400
they'll say you know this this person's

2085
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,080
a republican this one's a democrat and

2086
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,480
their politics is this this and this i i

2087
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:40,239
don't have an interest in the politics

2088
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,000
that i i don't particularly know don't

2089
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,560
particularly care i i care even less

2090
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:46,960
about the the uk side of things as well

2091
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:49,120
it's just no politicians or politicians

2092
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,800
at the end of the day for me the story

2093
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:52,719
here is their interest in the ufo

2094
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,880
subject and what they can bring to that

2095
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,159
not to say these people aren't nice

2096
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,920
people bad people are or something in

2097
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,760
between but yeah mike gallagher made

2098
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,840
himself a bit of a ufo star in that

2099
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,840
moment and he's someone that given his

2100
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:06,000
relatively young age as well people are

2101
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,520
now looking to

2102
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,600
to see what he can bring as things go

2103
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,280
forward

2104
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,360
do you think mike gallagher someone who

2105
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,960
who clearly has

2106
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,800
a real interest in the subject now from

2107
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,719
his subsequent interviews

2108
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,560
and do you think with him submitting

2109
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:22,719
something like the wilson davis memo i

2110
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:25,040
agree he clearly has done his due

2111
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:26,640
diligence on this and he knows more than

2112
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,920
he lets on

2113
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,840
how well read into the subject do you

2114
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,120
think he is

2115
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,080
and how far do you think someone with

2116
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,719
that young burgeoning political career

2117
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,679
can go

2118
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,080
with a subject

2119
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:42,320
i don't know how how much

2120
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,920
reading he has done on the subject i

2121
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:45,920
know he's talked about people who have

2122
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:48,480
educated him on subjects saying

2123
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:50,080
their favorite theory that they told

2124
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,199
gallagher i don't know if he said

2125
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:53,360
interdimensional and time travel but i'm

2126
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,080
like yeah i love that because i it gets

2127
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:59,199
tiring to see every news report say

2128
01:12:01,189 --> 01:12:00,239
you know

2129
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,199
there's no evidence they're

2130
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,960
extraterrestrial and i want to scream

2131
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,640
and say we're not saying they're

2132
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,640
extraterrestrial we're not saying that

2133
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,880
we're saying anomalous with all

2134
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,800
possibilities including time travel

2135
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,199
interdimensional ultra-terrestrial based

2136
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,120
on this planet so it was nice to see him

2137
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:17,760
say that somebody you know congressman

2138
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:18,560
um

2139
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:20,080
i think he'll stay on this but i don't

2140
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,679
think he can do it himself he needs help

2141
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,040
and i'm sure he'll get help behind the

2142
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,880
scenes and the people who educated him

2143
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,080
on the different theories i'm sure

2144
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,400
they're going to help him um

2145
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:30,320
whether or not how much pushback is

2146
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,600
going to be

2147
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,360
the people who don't want this who do

2148
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,600
not want this out i'm not sure

2149
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,960
we're gonna have a battle between

2150
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,960
congress and the folks the folks who

2151
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,800
have this secret who are they're not

2152
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,880
military not the folks that are in

2153
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,640
office or in their positions and then

2154
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,800
they retire or they're you know the

2155
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,239
people who are appointed it's not those

2156
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,960
folks it's the folks who are lifelong

2157
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,480
civilian

2158
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:54,640
employees they're there forever those

2159
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,960
are the folks who have the secrets and

2160
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,719
the engineers and scientists who work in

2161
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,239
the programs obviously those folks

2162
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:02,560
that's most of what the bigoted list was

2163
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,920
made up of wilson said they were

2164
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:05,840
scientists program people who worked in

2165
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,560
the program engineers and scientists um

2166
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:10,080
you know you don't tell a politician a

2167
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:11,360
secret like that because they're going

2168
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,880
to be out of office in two years that's

2169
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,400
why the president wouldn't know

2170
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,239
president should know but in their

2171
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,159
thinking you don't tell the people who

2172
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,760
are not going to be around the folks who

2173
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,520
are there for a career that's the folks

2174
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,760
who know um

2175
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:25,360
so

2176
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:28,719
i i i we need the senate you know

2177
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,600
gallagher is great but i want to see

2178
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,520
i've seen the way

2179
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:35,760
senator gillibrand asked questions of

2180
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,080
the one gentleman who was

2181
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,719
his i forget what position it was for

2182
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,480
the ig for

2183
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,280
for the entire dod i think it was his um

2184
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,040
confirmation pre-confirmation hearing

2185
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:49,040
but she was relentless she was like you

2186
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,719
need to find this out before you come

2187
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,560
back to me yeah is that the one he was

2188
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,239
quite flippant with his response and

2189
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,840
she's yeah

2190
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,600
i would have done your research on this

2191
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:58,880
already you shouldn't give me that

2192
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,960
answer we have not seen the follow-up to

2193
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,800
that meeting i'm not sure what happened

2194
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,719
but she is not going to let this go and

2195
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,640
hopefully rubio will not either and all

2196
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,719
of the other folks and i do not care

2197
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:11,120
people like do you know how disgusting

2198
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:13,360
rubio is like you said politics i'm like

2199
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,920
i understand i don't like his politics

2200
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:17,600
i'm very far left

2201
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,520
irrelevant in this case irrelevant

2202
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:23,600
absolutely listen let's get to listener

2203
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:25,280
questions uh joe we'll call if there's

2204
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,400
anything i left out uh let me know

2205
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:30,719
oh yeah 100 joe you're fantastically

2206
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,960
available on social media so people can

2207
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,400
always get in touch with you and you're

2208
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:35,920
really good at answering stuff as well

2209
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,560
so um yeah people people watching i will

2210
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,600
do it

2211
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,199
i'll do an ask me anything on this or

2212
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:43,679
anything soon so you can ask whatever

2213
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,640
awesome

2214
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,080
there's a lot of listener questions here

2215
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:48,800
as well we'll get through what we can um

2216
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,560
from josh first off joe um joe can you

2217
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,320
help those of us who this is a bit of a

2218
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,800
long question but i'll get to the point

2219
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,400
can you help those of us who have only

2220
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:00,560
have a basic understanding of who eric

2221
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,679
davis is get a firmer grasp on why so

2222
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:05,600
many people want him to be part of these

2223
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,239
confirmation conversations and have this

2224
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:10,960
sort of info several times in the notes

2225
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,360
his reputation is noted but i think

2226
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,360
since davis allegedly wrote the notes

2227
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,440
himself the details are pretty light

2228
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,520
just who exactly is this guy who has

2229
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,679
eric davis and how important is he to

2230
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,600
the study of the phenomenon

2231
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,440
he's a brilliant man who is an

2232
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:27,199
experiencer which

2233
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:29,120
and he is not shy about talking about

2234
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,960
his experiences and i'm sure with some

2235
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,239
people they're like well he loses

2236
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,320
credibility well for me he doesn't he's

2237
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:36,000
had experiences at skinwalker ranch he

2238
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,560
had his siding back in arizona he's very

2239
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:41,040
open-minded very scientific method he

2240
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:42,640
doesn't come to conclusions as far as

2241
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,000
what we're dealing with he's written a

2242
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:46,000
paper with jacques vale talking about

2243
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:47,600
the the psychic aspects of the

2244
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,239
phenomenon it's not just physical

2245
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:52,480
we both i remember talking to him about

2246
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:53,920
um

2247
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,159
about one of my favorite books operation

2248
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:58,400
trojan horse uh by john keel and he's

2249
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,400
like yeah i read that in eighth grade uh

2250
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,560
the most amazing memory the most he

2251
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,880
knows so much about ufology no matter

2252
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:06,960
what you ask him about um

2253
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:08,719
memory wise i forgot to tell you i asked

2254
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:09,840
him about something that happened in

2255
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:12,000
vegas back in i don't know if it was

2256
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:14,239
2000 whatever it was it was such a long

2257
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:16,000
time ago and it was a friend of mine who

2258
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,520
owned the print shop he's like oh yeah i

2259
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,520
went in there yeah yeah i remember that

2260
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:21,280
i'm like how do you remember that so

2261
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:23,360
with that memory with those clearances

2262
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:24,880
with the interest in the subject he's

2263
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,440
like the perfect combination of what you

2264
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,320
want in a ufo's researcher he has access

2265
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:32,400
over the years he gets to see things he

2266
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,159
gets to look and see things that he's

2267
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,400
interested in ufos there are not a lot

2268
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,239
of people who have that interest and the

2269
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,159
clearances um

2270
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:41,920
and i had a source tell me eric davis

2271
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:42,800
was

2272
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,480
in charge of the crash retrieval

2273
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:46,719
portfolio i don't have any more details

2274
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,320
on that but um he also speaks his mind

2275
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,880
uh when he he was giving interviews

2276
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:55,600
before his new job the aerospace

2277
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:58,480
corporation put a gabash on his media um

2278
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,000
it was after the new york times article

2279
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:02,320
came out and it's not some i know there

2280
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,679
are people thinking that he would shut

2281
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,280
up because you know the powers that be

2282
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:06,960
don't want eric davis talking that's not

2283
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,960
what it is it's it's work related

2284
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:10,800
nothing negative but

2285
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:12,719
um he can't give media interviews and

2286
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:15,120
i'm dying to hear him give me interviews

2287
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,880
because when the new york times article

2288
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,239
came out he's quoted talking about

2289
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:20,800
retrieval from off-world vehicles and he

2290
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,840
can't give a quote because of his job so

2291
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:25,520
i a friend of mine floated an idea that

2292
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:26,719
we have a a

2293
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,960
fund me go fund me for him to raise like

2294
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,120
whatever he needs to retire just so he

2295
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:32,960
can do interviews um

2296
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:36,080
so yeah that memory that knowledge um in

2297
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,080
astrophysicists it's very rare i can't

2298
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:40,159
think of anybody else like that

2299
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,640
you have travis taylor who comes close

2300
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,320
but as far as crash retrievals which i

2301
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:46,239
never was interested before really i

2302
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:47,920
mean i liked roswell but i never dove

2303
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:50,560
into it and now i i once these documents

2304
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:52,400
came out now i went back and listened to

2305
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,679
all his interviews it's just amazing

2306
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:55,440
what he's willing to share why is he

2307
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:57,280
able to share about what he does about

2308
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,800
the crash retrieval program if it's so

2309
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,960
classified hal put off said in one of

2310
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,320
his interviews he's like

2311
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,120
the details of crashes are classified so

2312
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,960
i think there's a certain line

2313
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:08,640
they can go up to they know what they

2314
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,080
can go up to maybe he's crossed over

2315
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:12,960
that line i don't know um

2316
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:14,960
but yeah the only the only negative

2317
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:16,719
things i've seen is he speaks his mind

2318
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,400
and sometimes if you piss him off he'll

2319
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,880
he'll say so and he'll say so in no

2320
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:22,800
uncertain terms what he thinks about you

2321
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,679
um

2322
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:25,440
but hopefully he gets to speak out soon

2323
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,560
because it's been a while since he's

2324
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:28,080
given an interview

2325
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,520
i've gotten i've gotten some quotes from

2326
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:31,120
him over the last couple of years but

2327
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,960
very minimal stuff

2328
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,159
yeah it'd be great to speak to eric

2329
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,719
davis and he has particularly kind of

2330
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,880
sparse with interviews and i know he's a

2331
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,480
much maligned figure at the moment but

2332
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:42,239
uh stephen greenstreet probably had one

2333
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:47,830
yeah i'll put the link for it in the

2334
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:50,400
description um but yeah that that's

2335
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:51,600
something that's worth checking out as

2336
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:54,960
well i think it's nice

2337
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,960
in a positive light at the time

2338
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:58,640
and that's when davis said he was um a

2339
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,320
consultant to the i don't know if he

2340
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,080
called it the uap task force but he said

2341
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,239
the new effort which yeah he didn't give

2342
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:06,480
the name he he confirmed it was whatever

2343
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,920
the organization was now he was a

2344
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,080
consultant but wasn't being paid because

2345
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,320
there was no funding necessarily for it

2346
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,760
right and funding is still an issue by

2347
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:14,800
the way with

2348
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:17,679
the ndaa all of that so anyway

2349
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,239
um additionally josh has a follow-up can

2350
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,480
joe speak to any particular discoveries

2351
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,000
theories or breakthroughs that eric

2352
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:25,920
davis has spearheaded without breaking

2353
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:27,840
any competencies

2354
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:30,000
i don't know of any breakthroughs and

2355
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,840
anything that he has would be in that

2356
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:33,679
massive book lou holds up where they

2357
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:35,120
talk about

2358
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,120
it's a propulsion book frontiers in

2359
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:38,880
propulsion science i'm not sure if

2360
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:40,800
there's breakthroughs but i know he

2361
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,199
somebody mentioned to him the answer is

2362
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:45,520
i don't know um but somebody mentioned

2363
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,880
to him that they think what he was

2364
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,719
involved in is fringe science and he's

2365
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,400
like i don't consider it fringe science

2366
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,679
i consider it

2367
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:53,440
thinking outside the box he's known for

2368
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:55,040
thinking outside the box i mean people

2369
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:57,040
refer to his wormhole paper and they

2370
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,480
showed some of the pictures drawn and

2371
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,320
they made fun of him i was like you know

2372
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:02,080
because it shows like a dinosaur would

2373
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,960
go through a very crude drawing going

2374
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:07,199
through a portal and it's like

2375
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,239
you know

2376
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,159
the science behind that he can explain

2377
01:20:14,950 --> 01:20:12,560
some of the science behind that um which

2378
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:14,960
i can't understand

2379
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,639
breakthroughs

2380
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:18,000
i don't know of any particular

2381
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:20,719
breakthroughs um i'm sure he could tell

2382
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:21,440
you

2383
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,560
and i know that's not a great answer um

2384
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:26,320
for me it's just a combination of his

2385
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:27,520
knowledge

2386
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:30,719
access and interest in ufos

2387
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:33,120
definitely um something we are two

2388
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:34,960
people we didn't talk about i don't

2389
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:36,080
think within the body of this

2390
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:39,440
conversation joe were rich and doug

2391
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:41,600
sausalit has a question rich and doug's

2392
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:43,360
name are mentioned several times

2393
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,800
throughout the document can you shed

2394
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,719
some light at all on who rich and doug

2395
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,080
are

2396
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:50,320
they worked they were part of the

2397
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:53,679
association former intelligence officers

2398
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:54,560
they

2399
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:56,960
also recommended eric davis speak with

2400
01:21:02,310 --> 01:20:59,679
thomas wilson i don't know if they knew

2401
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:02,320
what wilson had encountered i'm not sure

2402
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:04,239
about that a lot of people say you know

2403
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,280
they mentioned

2404
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:07,440
you know that it was a new chapter

2405
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:10,000
beginning in you know the af

2406
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,880
afio chapter was beginning in 2002 and

2407
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:14,239
they needed speakers and rich and doug

2408
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:15,840
were involved in that one of them may

2409
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:18,400
have passed away by the way um

2410
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,239
and they wanted speakers and people use

2411
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,760
the argument well wilson there's no

2412
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,520
record and john alexander has made this

2413
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:25,440
argument there's no record of wilson

2414
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:28,000
having spoken at the the local chapter

2415
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,600
in las vegas so he didn't come to las

2416
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,280
vegas that's nonsense you read the

2417
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:33,520
documents there's no promise from wilson

2418
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,840
that he's going to speak at that event

2419
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:37,360
let me ask you i was going to say joe

2420
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,560
because i've actually forgot to ask you

2421
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:40,880
the the basic question saucer like gave

2422
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,840
he asks or they ask what does joe think

2423
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:45,920
of the idea rich and dog were actually

2424
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:48,639
asking wilson about eric davis as a

2425
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,239
potential afio speaker and not wilson as

2426
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:54,800
a speaker as a way to send wilson eric

2427
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:57,199
davis's cv in the hopes wilson would

2428
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,679
meet with him this may explain why john

2429
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,239
alexander never saw wilson at an afio

2430
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:04,400
meeting in vegas at the time yeah and i

2431
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:05,440
think the whole

2432
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,719
meeting

2433
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,560
who's there and who's not as a red

2434
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,239
herring um yeah it's possible they

2435
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:12,080
wanted eric davis there but

2436
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:13,199
um

2437
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:15,920
they were part of getting wilson and

2438
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:17,600
davis together

2439
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:20,080
but oak shannon was the main impetus for

2440
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:22,960
that uh that theory is possible but like

2441
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,560
i said the whole

2442
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,400
making a big deal that wilson did not

2443
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:29,040
speak there is just such that's why you

2444
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:30,000
see john

2445
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,600
john alexander saying something like

2446
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,440
that i'm like why are you saying that

2447
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,440
read the documents it's irrelevant

2448
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:37,920
there's no promise from wilson to speak

2449
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,239
at that you know opening of the afio

2450
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:42,320
office in vegas so

2451
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,560
it's just not a big deal

2452
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,000
and people don't have to take my word

2453
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:48,560
read it people read it frank stalter is

2454
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:50,080
one who made a big deal about that and

2455
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:51,679
we argue he still thinks the whole thing

2456
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:54,000
is bogus um anyway

2457
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,679
hopefully that answers his question um

2458
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:58,960
for rich and doug

2459
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:02,480
nobody that i know of has spoken to them

2460
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:04,080
you know and like i said i think one of

2461
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:06,239
them passed away but i don't think if we

2462
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,600
did get a hold of him nobody's gonna

2463
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,120
speak about it you know

2464
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:11,520
unless there's and and andy all these

2465
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,480
people

2466
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,480
if if they want to make sure if the

2467
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,400
meeting happened you want to bring all

2468
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,560
these people put them under oath so if

2469
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:20,159
our goal was just to prove the document

2470
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:20,960
and

2471
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:24,159
know

2472
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:25,840
allegedly people think it was lockheed

2473
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:27,679
that he went to

2474
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:28,560
um

2475
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,400
yeah you would subpoena all these people

2476
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:32,080
who are listed and put them under oath

2477
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,440
give them immunity but that's not the

2478
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,440
goal so your goal is to find the crash

2479
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,960
retrieval program and the people who

2480
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:38,800
worked in the program

2481
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:40,480
we don't know any of those names those

2482
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,159
are the people who need to be

2483
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,320
subpoenaed

2484
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:47,120
let me ask the follow-up from john brim

2485
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:48,800
because this this is maybe a little bit

2486
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,080
on what you said there but i think it's

2487
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,840
a really interesting thought

2488
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,159
what are your thoughts joe about nda's

2489
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:56,560
being almost irrelevant as what really

2490
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,360
keeps these people quiet is the thought

2491
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,960
that they're nearly at the center of the

2492
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,719
labyrinth and like you've touched on you

2493
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,560
know people like kit green

2494
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,480
being promised that you know chasing

2495
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,159
that dragon you're going to find out the

2496
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,320
big secret you're going to know even

2497
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,560
people like lou and chris melon they

2498
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:14,800
find out more and more and more but they

2499
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,159
they always claim that they don't know

2500
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:18,320
everything and maybe they'll dangle that

2501
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,600
carrot off you know keep doing what

2502
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:21,120
you're doing and you'll find out you

2503
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:24,080
know the big thing at the end

2504
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:26,000
and that also keeps these folks from

2505
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:27,600
breaking these end days because i

2506
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,440
suppose selfishly

2507
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,199
you would want to know if someone said

2508
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:33,040
to joe murga you know joe delete your

2509
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,880
twitter account delete your patreon get

2510
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,800
rid of all your social media quit your

2511
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:38,159
job as a cameraman and we're going to

2512
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:39,280
take you into this room and we're going

2513
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,880
to tell you everything

2514
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,800
would joe martial be tempted

2515
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:44,639
i would put a i would be tempted but i

2516
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:46,159
would put a time limit on it if you

2517
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,639
don't tell me within a month everything

2518
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,719
is going back um okay

2519
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:52,320
of course by that time up they killed me

2520
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:54,159
because i didn't know about that

2521
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,360
yeah you've got the bullet in the head

2522
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,840
yep yeah um but yeah that's a good point

2523
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,679
maybe maybe they're being promised and

2524
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:01,440
the skeptic would say yeah they're never

2525
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:03,120
gonna be shown anything but because it

2526
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,199
doesn't exist um

2527
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,040
but that's a good point you know keep

2528
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:09,360
quiet and we will show you the truth one

2529
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:10,480
day

2530
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,440
um

2531
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:13,679
i cannot wait andy because

2532
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,159
once we get one person who comes across

2533
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:18,880
as credible a scientist who says i

2534
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,920
handled the craft i handled i saw it in

2535
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:23,840
person if we get multiple people saying

2536
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:25,520
that i know for a lot of people that's

2537
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,800
going to be part of the psyop these

2538
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:28,480
people are all lying but for people who

2539
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,679
are reasonable

2540
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,120
who are able to look at somebody and see

2541
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:32,800
if they're lying that's such a giant

2542
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:35,520
first step i mean the final piece is us

2543
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,880
seeing it for ourselves i make a joke

2544
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,480
i've made this joke before where during

2545
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,400
congressional hearings they get a wheel

2546
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,800
the roswell or whatever intact craft

2547
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,080
they have they're going to wheel it down

2548
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,880
the aisle and say there it is and then

2549
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:50,800
they'll wheel down the bodies in the

2550
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,719
containers there you go because if we do

2551
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:54,239
get evidence and we get proof that we

2552
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:55,920
have bodies that are not human the

2553
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:58,000
game's over everything else is all

2554
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,199
everything else is up for debate then

2555
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,960
if there's something non-human here then

2556
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:05,199
everything related to ufos is in play i

2557
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,120
mean including skinwalker ranch you know

2558
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,360
everything so it's such a big deal

2559
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,960
that's why i made such a big deal about

2560
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,480
this document

2561
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:14,560
um and like i said

2562
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,639
in my lifetime hopefully we get the

2563
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,480
proof not just people speaking we need

2564
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:20,800
to see it we need to see it and you

2565
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,440
could show us pictures or something a

2566
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,719
live shot

2567
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:26,639
without telling the russians how to

2568
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:28,239
reverse engineer it it's not going to

2569
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,159
help the russians or chinese reverse

2570
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,400
engineer just by showing the world it's

2571
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,080
such an important secret we need to get

2572
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:36,880
over that thinking well talking about

2573
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,199
you know wanting to to find out that

2574
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:41,840
ultimate answer and hoping it happens

2575
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:44,159
mikey asks what do you think the next

2576
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:46,560
steps are now with the wilson davis memo

2577
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,560
being on public record what happens next

2578
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:52,400
immunity is next we have to wait for

2579
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:55,679
that immunity language to be finished

2580
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,639
and

2581
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,159
i'm not sure that we're going to get to

2582
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,080
see the next step if they bring in these

2583
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:01,840
folks in these programs it's probably

2584
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,159
going to be behind closed doors which i

2585
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,239
do not think is fair but that's probably

2586
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:09,120
what's gonna happen um

2587
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,560
i'm not sure how important it is to

2588
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:12,000
bring in wilson

2589
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,920
you know to prove that he he was denied

2590
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:15,199
access i mean

2591
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:16,880
it would be great for me

2592
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,600
um and he said he would still take cells

2593
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:21,520
he would if he was given immunity he

2594
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:23,040
would still tell the same story like

2595
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,880
this is nonsense but what do people

2596
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,560
expect him to say first of all he said

2597
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:28,080
in these documents he would deny it no

2598
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,760
matter what um

2599
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:31,760
but if he really does it really this did

2600
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:35,360
happen he can't tell billy cox well

2601
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:38,239
if i'm given immunity i'm gonna tell the

2602
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,159
real story and you're not gonna believe

2603
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,239
it he can't say that so i don't know

2604
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:44,800
what people expect him to say um

2605
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,480
the next step

2606
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,199
with immunity and these folks coming in

2607
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:51,360
and one more thing you know just a

2608
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,400
little piece

2609
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,040
2006 jacques valet wrote a book called

2610
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:58,000
stratagem and the details in that book

2611
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,000
match the wilson davis documents so it's

2612
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:02,159
like obviously valet did have access to

2613
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:03,360
this so this story's been around for a

2614
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:04,880
while it's not something that was just

2615
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,920
made up out of thin air and eric davis

2616
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,679
you know there was a theory people think

2617
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:11,280
that eric davis wrote this as a movie

2618
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,719
script because

2619
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:14,639
i think it was greenwall who said well

2620
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,480
the x-files had just been canceled and

2621
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:18,400
they were looking for a new ufo show i'm

2622
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,760
like okay

2623
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,440
that's your theory one of your theories

2624
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:24,000
that's that didn't happen um

2625
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,520
but that's the next step and we've we've

2626
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,040
spoken about it i don't know how long

2627
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:29,040
it's gonna take um things seem to be

2628
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,480
moving fast we keep hearing from

2629
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,920
multiple hearings

2630
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:33,920
within weeks you know i heard i didn't

2631
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:36,480
hear anything about time frame just that

2632
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,159
stuff is happening behind the scenes so

2633
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:39,840
just be patient and i always tell people

2634
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:42,480
that i say be patient stuff is happening

2635
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,239
i mean i've been at this for so long the

2636
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,320
last four and a half years have been

2637
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:48,719
such an amazing pace i know for some

2638
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:50,880
people it's still slow but you know

2639
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:54,480
compared to what it was between 1996 and

2640
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:57,920
in 2017 this is amazing i get frustrated

2641
01:29:01,270 --> 01:29:00,320
too at times and i also get i also get

2642
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:01,280
um

2643
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,239
spoiled you know i'll i'll i'll

2644
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,400
i'll not mock but i'll i'll dismiss the

2645
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,480
three videos or if there'll be an

2646
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,639
article on a major newspaper i'm like ah

2647
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:12,239
it's not that great well we're getting

2648
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,159
articles like we never had before yeah

2649
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:15,840
more people are interested in it so it's

2650
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,679
all good i just don't know i don't know

2651
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:19,040
how long it's gonna take to get to the

2652
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:21,679
next step of seeing people or at least

2653
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:23,040
hearing from congressional members

2654
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,800
saying we've spoke to some people there

2655
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:27,520
is a crash retrieval program of ufos i

2656
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,040
have a friend who thinks oh there's a

2657
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:30,960
crash retrieval program but it's not

2658
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,520
ufos it's just foreign technology or our

2659
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,520
technology and this whole thing is about

2660
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:37,600
to bring our technology out from from

2661
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:39,120
beyond the black programs into the

2662
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:40,639
public sector that's what their theory

2663
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,880
is well listen if we've got tech that

2664
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,480
can defy gravity break the laws of

2665
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:46,239
physics then for me that's that's

2666
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:47,920
fascinating in itself but then the

2667
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:49,840
question still goes back to when did we

2668
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,520
break those laws of physics and right

2669
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:54,000
how can we now go from jet engines to

2670
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:56,320
this you know what was what was where's

2671
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:58,000
the gap how did we plug that gap in the

2672
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,920
middle what happened and one of my

2673
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:01,520
favorite people i've spoken to on my

2674
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,000
show michael or my youtube channel no

2675
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,400
show but michael vi he believes we've

2676
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,639
cracked gravity um and he don't he

2677
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:09,840
doesn't think we would ever use it

2678
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:11,679
unless we actually had to so you're not

2679
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:12,880
going to see that technology because

2680
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,800
it's too world-changing

2681
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:17,040
to economy busting you know just just

2682
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:19,280
totally upheaval in this world if all of

2683
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,040
a sudden we have this technology that

2684
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:23,440
can turn be turned into a massive weapon

2685
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:25,040
also um

2686
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,639
and i know a lot of people push back on

2687
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:28,159
him about that but

2688
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:29,840
i don't know i'm still i don't know like

2689
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:32,000
you said if we have that technology it's

2690
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,920
just yeah okay show us show us what

2691
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:35,520
happened show us was it the 50s when

2692
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:36,960
everything went black when they were

2693
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,560
researching gravity

2694
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:40,800
that's amazing story and why was it kept

2695
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,960
secret for all this time and

2696
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:44,320
with the pollution going on in this

2697
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:46,159
planet it's a major can of worms you

2698
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:48,000
know it's a huge conversation and one

2699
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:49,679
for another time but i've talked about

2700
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:51,920
this some time ago on the podcast about

2701
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:52,880
you know

2702
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:55,199
if that sort of alien tech or whatever

2703
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,120
it might be came out and you're like how

2704
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:58,800
do you how do you even begin to release

2705
01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:00,080
that to the public it's like people

2706
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,760
think that if they came out and said

2707
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,440
we'll reverse engineered a flying saucer

2708
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:05,600
we can now traverse the galaxy and this

2709
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:07,679
incredible craft oh great so we don't

2710
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:09,840
have to fly anymore or drive cars no no

2711
01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:11,360
you still do because we've got one of

2712
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:14,080
them also how do you reproduce it it

2713
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:16,000
takes about 15 years and we can make

2714
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,239
another one maybe oh well are you going

2715
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:20,080
to give this to the public no cause we

2716
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:22,080
still aren't sure on x y and there's a

2717
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,159
whole conversation same with if you can

2718
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:26,560
suddenly cure an illness how do you

2719
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,159
decide who gets secured and when they

2720
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:30,480
get the cure and that there's a whole

2721
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:32,159
conversation that people don't think of

2722
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:33,600
that it's just things don't change

2723
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:35,520
tomorrow you would still go to work you

2724
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:37,120
would still drive your petrol and diesel

2725
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:40,719
cars your hybrid cars and yeah it's but

2726
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:44,000
it's yeah it's a very interesting one um

2727
01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:46,639
question from pit he says joe you've

2728
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:48,320
said on multiple occasions and

2729
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,560
throughout your blog series that you got

2730
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:52,239
corroborating information from

2731
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:54,719
trustworthy but anonymous sources i

2732
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:56,159
don't want to know about those sources

2733
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,800
names or anything only what even vaguely

2734
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:00,719
they said and why you consider them

2735
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:02,400
trustworthy

2736
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,840
yeah and

2737
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:05,280
i think that person asked me that the

2738
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:06,400
other day on twitter i don't know if it

2739
01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:08,480
was corroboration of the words i used

2740
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:09,679
but

2741
01:32:14,470 --> 01:32:11,760
people in a position to know told me

2742
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:14,480
that the meeting took place so

2743
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,320
and people want me to give more details

2744
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:18,560
i'm not going to give more details i

2745
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,000
don't want to risk

2746
01:32:23,350 --> 01:32:22,000
adding these people whatsoever so i

2747
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:23,360
don't want to say

2748
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:25,120
i just within the last year that

2749
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,639
information came to me and it wasn't

2750
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:28,560
something i reached out for i wasn't

2751
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:30,639
asking questions about wilson davis it's

2752
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:33,440
just they offered up that information um

2753
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:35,840
how did anybody went lying to you

2754
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:36,960
say again

2755
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:38,320
how do you know they weren't lying to

2756
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,000
you let me get advocating here yeah

2757
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:42,080
that's that's me jud me making a

2758
01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:44,239
judgment call it's not like the only

2759
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:45,440
thing

2760
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:48,159
i heard from these folks um

2761
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:49,600
and i do have

2762
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:51,679
a pretty good track record

2763
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:54,239
and as an example one source told me two

2764
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:56,400
years ago like i said travis taylor

2765
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,320
works for the uap task force didn't use

2766
01:33:01,590 --> 01:33:00,480
the uap task force name

2767
01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:01,600
but

2768
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,199
when i heard that

2769
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:05,040
knapp was doing something on the chief

2770
01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:06,480
scientist i told people behind the

2771
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:08,239
scenes i'm like i think that's travis

2772
01:33:13,430 --> 01:33:11,120
taylor that's based on a source so 100

2773
01:33:14,950 --> 01:33:13,440
accurate information um

2774
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:14,960
new york times is writing an article

2775
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:16,320
it's going to be on crash retrievals

2776
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:18,880
accurate sources all accurate uh new

2777
01:33:23,669 --> 01:33:20,080
york times is writing an article in

2778
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:23,679
2017. got that beforehand accurate so

2779
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:26,480
i have been lied to before andy though

2780
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:27,360
and

2781
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:30,400
came in i'm like this is not true i've

2782
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:32,960
also been pumped up on the phone with

2783
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:35,520
really you just explained it was about

2784
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:37,440
wilson davis and somebody said you just

2785
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:38,639
and i explained why i thought it was

2786
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,480
legitimate and they said

2787
01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:42,400
your explanation is probably the best

2788
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:44,239
explanation i've ever heard and i knew

2789
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,760
it wasn't because i didn't really make

2790
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,679
an effort it was just like i just said

2791
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,120
blah blah blah and i was like this

2792
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:50,960
person is for whatever reason they're

2793
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:52,480
pumping me up trying to make me feel

2794
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:54,000
better which is

2795
01:33:58,149 --> 01:33:55,679
i would think that's maybe an intel

2796
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:58,159
trick you know the people in this world

2797
01:34:01,510 --> 01:33:59,280
um

2798
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:01,520
so i do pay attention to that and i do

2799
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,280
question things i don't think i was lied

2800
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:05,840
to but only time will tell so

2801
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:06,719
um

2802
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:08,000
you know let's see what gallagher

2803
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,000
uncovers and

2804
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:12,719
i think i would think if we do

2805
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:14,800
like say wilson davis they say listen we

2806
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:15,920
don't care about wilson davis we care

2807
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:17,600
about the crash retrieval program if

2808
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,920
that is proven i hope people accept i

2809
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:21,440
would think that maybe eric davis can

2810
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,440
talk about it at that point but i would

2811
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:25,520
think people would accept

2812
01:34:28,390 --> 01:34:27,040
this was legitimate so it would be

2813
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:28,400
another source

2814
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:30,639
that was accurate um but i can't prove

2815
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:32,639
it i can't prove i wasn't lied to i do

2816
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:34,080
think about it though it's not like

2817
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:35,199
don't think about it it's not like i

2818
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:36,960
hear something's right away

2819
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:39,679
up that's true 100

2820
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:41,920
um i had my own opinion before those

2821
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:44,159
sources told me that so it was just

2822
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,639
it was just confirmation for me not for

2823
01:34:50,070 --> 01:34:48,480
anybody else and i realized i can't tell

2824
01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:50,080
anybody who the sources are so it kind

2825
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:52,639
of sucks for them um but you're gonna

2826
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:53,840
we're gonna have to wait and see on this

2827
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:55,679
one yeah i think with the history of

2828
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:57,280
this subject and i was saying this to

2829
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:59,199
some of the the uk guys in a group chat

2830
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:01,199
just yesterday the day before without

2831
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:03,360
going into detail like i think it's a

2832
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:05,520
little bit foolhardy in this subject to

2833
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:08,320
not at least even with your your hardest

2834
01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:10,000
hardcore beliefs

2835
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:12,159
depending on sources that you keep that

2836
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:14,719
one percent back of yeah but what if

2837
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:16,719
it's not true you know and i've used the

2838
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:19,520
example i've said before i'm i'm a a fan

2839
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,639
if you want to call it that of louis

2840
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:22,639
lozando what he's done the work he does

2841
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:24,400
and and what he's managed to get out

2842
01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:27,119
himself chris mellon and others but

2843
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,960
i think you've got to keep that one

2844
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:31,199
percent of given the history and nature

2845
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:32,719
of this subject and what we're talking

2846
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:33,679
about

2847
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:35,760
what if it came out tomorrow that they

2848
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:38,320
were all the sinful guys and you know

2849
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,679
you have to move on and you have to be

2850
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:41,280
able to do that and

2851
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:43,280
just have that element of what would be

2852
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,440
next and have that conversation and at

2853
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:47,760
least understand why other people

2854
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,480
are distrusting or unsure and

2855
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:52,239
uncomfortable when it comes to sources

2856
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:54,000
or commitment in the subject because

2857
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:57,280
there's a long history of of lies and

2858
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:58,480
myths

2859
01:36:01,510 --> 01:36:00,000
i understand that i do understand it the

2860
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,520
problem i have is when people say well

2861
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,040
they used to work for the dod so they're

2862
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:05,119
lying it's like no no no no there are

2863
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:06,719
people who work in the government who

2864
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:08,000
have had experiences there are people

2865
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,440
who work in the government who have an

2866
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:11,520
interest in this subject well richard

2867
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:14,000
doty was a ci counterintelligence agency

2868
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,320
so you know louis lozano is too so

2869
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,560
they're both liars it's like no no no no

2870
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:19,840
you need to take every case on an

2871
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,159
individual basis um look look when i

2872
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:24,800
said to you that i'm open to the psyop i

2873
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,639
i leave a little bit open to the psyop

2874
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:28,480
angle where it's black technology

2875
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:29,679
they're trying to get out you would have

2876
01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:32,400
not heard that from me a few months ago

2877
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:35,119
um so i'm trying to keep my mind open to

2878
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:37,040
everything all possibilities so yeah i

2879
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,639
think that's a great way to look at it

2880
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,480
keep your mind open to the possibility

2881
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:42,480
you're being fed nonsense although

2882
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:44,960
people think i'm a believer i'm not um

2883
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:46,560
but i do have strong opinions on some of

2884
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,520
this stuff

2885
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:49,679
yeah i've got a pie chart of all my ufo

2886
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:51,199
interests and everything's in that pie

2887
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:54,000
chart but in that one percent bracket

2888
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:55,679
and there's a little other category and

2889
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,679
within that there's the interest in the

2890
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:59,440
fact that linda moulton how is speaking

2891
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:01,040
to people who are based as super

2892
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:02,960
soldiers in antarctica dealing with

2893
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:05,520
human alien hybrids and there's that oh

2894
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,800
wouldn't it be great if that were true

2895
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,719
but it's probably not but let's just

2896
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:10,320
park it over there in that other

2897
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:11,679
category and

2898
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:13,119
that's great if people want to discuss

2899
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,679
that so um i'm i'm going way off and i

2900
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:17,760
tangent it now i don't know i i agree

2901
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:19,840
i'm glad you brought that up i agree i

2902
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:21,119
love some of the stories she tells in

2903
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:23,440
some of her sources but it's like

2904
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:25,119
i need to see some evidence i mean i

2905
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,719
don't hear that anywhere else i mean i

2906
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:28,480
would that would be the most amazing

2907
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:31,040
story super soldiers we're going to mars

2908
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:35,040
we have jump rooms incredible but

2909
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:37,280
did you ever listen joe to andrew d

2910
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,800
bastianio yes my ex-wife loved him she

2911
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:42,560
wanted to she wanted him to run for

2912
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:44,480
president i'm like come on

2913
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,400
right okay so for anyone unaware and

2914
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,719
some of you may be but very quickly

2915
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:50,880
before i had the podcast and before to

2916
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,119
the stars academy and all that stuff i

2917
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:55,360
used to watch some of his his lectures

2918
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,280
on youtube and they go for four and five

2919
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:00,239
hours he speaks so eloquently

2920
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:03,199
he he never really trips up in his story

2921
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:05,360
he talks about to very quickly give you

2922
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,679
an idea of how as a child his father was

2923
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:09,840
involved in the military intelligence

2924
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:12,480
etc he was about a child prodigy he was

2925
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:14,239
picked along with others including

2926
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:18,239
barack obama um as children to jump and

2927
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,920
these special jump rooms across the

2928
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:22,000
states they've jumped to mars they've

2929
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,760
traveled back in time you know birth of

2930
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:25,520
christ all that kind of stuff

2931
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,119
and that he was

2932
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:29,440
picked to be president but each time a

2933
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:31,280
presidential election came on something

2934
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:33,679
happened that the timeline shifted and

2935
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:36,000
it moved along um

2936
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:37,280
something weird happened though that in

2937
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:38,560
the last couple of years apparently i

2938
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:39,920
don't know how true this is he's kind of

2939
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:42,239
gone away and he lost his eyesight and

2940
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:43,520
went blind

2941
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:44,400
but

2942
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:46,159
i don't know if that's that's correct or

2943
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:47,679
not just the guy who runs his facebook

2944
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,040
page and it's

2945
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,000
it was always for me a great wow what if

2946
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:54,000
that was even partly true

2947
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:55,760
but until barack obama comes out and

2948
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:57,840
goes oh that's my friend andy bastiago

2949
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:59,119
and yeah i remember him from the jump

2950
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,719
rooms back on mars

2951
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:02,639
then it's always just going to be that

2952
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:04,639
story but yeah totally digressing but

2953
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:06,159
that kind of stuff used to really

2954
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,600
interest me but

2955
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:09,840
just as a guilty pleasure

2956
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,639
look this is my barack obama uh look uh

2957
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,960
andy and i went we went to mars together

2958
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:17,520
uh look uh we had a great time and uh

2959
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,520
hillary was my vice president on mars so

2960
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:23,040
yeah i hope it it'll be a great story

2961
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,239
and it would be great if it was true i

2962
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:26,480
hope we have jump rooms but you know

2963
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:28,159
we don't have we have to leave that like

2964
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:29,679
you said in the other bin and hopefully

2965
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:31,199
one day you know we're totally blown

2966
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,960
away and said what a bunch of idiots who

2967
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,360
were we thought andy randy kramer and

2968
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,520
and andrew passaggio or and there's

2969
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:39,119
another there's so many other guys like

2970
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,880
that too there's a corey good all those

2971
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:42,239
folks i think he was one of those guys

2972
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:43,600
too that talked about a jump room right

2973
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:45,679
or no yeah some something along those

2974
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:47,280
lines yeah i should not either that name

2975
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:48,800
i'm sorry i'm sorry

2976
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,960
nah you've invoked the name um but maybe

2977
01:39:55,189 --> 01:39:52,560
that'll be page 18 of the memo when that

2978
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:55,199
comes out one day a question from phil

2979
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:57,199
phil asks i wonder whether there is a

2980
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:58,719
connection between the memo and

2981
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:01,040
skinwalker ranch as bob bigelow is

2982
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,960
strangely and intimately tied to both

2983
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:04,960
any thoughts i don't know if bigelow is

2984
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:07,679
really tied to this i mean because

2985
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:09,840
he like no and eric davis was not

2986
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:12,320
working for nids at the time like i said

2987
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:13,760
um

2988
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,960
the more

2989
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:16,639
interesting thing is to figure out who

2990
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,679
marriott

2991
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:19,040
i don't know as far as skinwalker i

2992
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,800
don't know of any tai um

2993
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:22,639
the most interesting person in this in

2994
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:23,440
this

2995
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,239
document is mary elliott um

2996
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,320
nobody knows i've asked i have gotten a

2997
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,400
big sorry can't tell you anything about

2998
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,480
her um there was a

2999
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:34,800
a researcher who think she figured

3000
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:36,320
thought she figured out who she was and

3001
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,000
what aerospace company she was connected

3002
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,239
to but i was told that was incorrect

3003
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:42,880
um if people remember brit on twitter

3004
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:45,280
so i don't know but mary elizabeth

3005
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:47,679
elliott and the trw story i think it's

3006
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,920
crash retrieval related um it's the

3007
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,520
biggest mystery i've not been able to

3008
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:54,080
find anything her her lawyer jeffrey

3009
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:56,400
griffith he's been on some you know some

3010
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,400
ufo related websites making comments but

3011
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,880
not related to that so possibly is that

3012
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,639
an alias that was used to suddenly him

3013
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,719
you know i don't think i was not told it

3014
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:06,560
was an alias i was just told sorry i

3015
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:09,920
cannot tell you anything about her um so

3016
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:12,159
what is so secret is it it's got to be

3017
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:14,080
crash retrieval related if it's that

3018
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:17,040
secret it just says it says

3019
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,280
wilson says mary elliott sounds like the

3020
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,600
real deal based on her info and behavior

3021
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,280
with her attorney

3022
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:25,840
probably will only come totally clean on

3023
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,880
her deathbed 30 years from now it's like

3024
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:30,480
what is that that's for me that's the

3025
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:33,119
biggest mystery of this document um

3026
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,800
i don't know how to find out about her

3027
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:36,880
like i said i asked somebody who might

3028
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,719
know and it was like sorry

3029
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:40,880
can't tell you anything

3030
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:43,440
except i was told the person

3031
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,400
who brit found who she thought was mary

3032
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:48,719
elliott was not the person

3033
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:51,360
whether or not i was lied to to cover up

3034
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:53,040
this you know that brit was accurate i

3035
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,880
don't know and i told brit that i'm like

3036
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:56,639
maybe my information is a lie i don't

3037
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:57,840
know but that's what i that's what i

3038
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,639
have

3039
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,880
bro kind of came and went disappeared i

3040
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:02,320
don't know where she went yeah yeah

3041
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,520
there was a whole story there but we

3042
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:05,679
won't go into another story yeah yeah

3043
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:06,400
yeah

3044
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,560
third eye asks the question i want to

3045
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,960
know why uh joe thinks we're being kept

3046
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:14,639
in the dark about this why can we not be

3047
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:16,719
told the truth in your view what is it

3048
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:18,639
we can't be told why can't we have the

3049
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:21,119
basics at least

3050
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:23,119
yeah um there's so many possibilities

3051
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:24,800
one it doesn't exist so there is no

3052
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:26,239
truth two

3053
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:27,840
it's all technology you know they don't

3054
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,679
want to let this technology out and they

3055
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,440
want to milk it for as much money as

3056
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,440
possible and you know my opinions are

3057
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:35,840
all across the board i don't know um

3058
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:39,199
three the story is so ridiculously

3059
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:41,040
unsettling that they just don't feel

3060
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:43,040
they can tell the general public without

3061
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:43,920
total

3062
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:45,360
you know

3063
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:47,520
people panicking and louis elizondo has

3064
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:48,639
said well

3065
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:50,159
you know we've had disclosure the

3066
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,840
government's telling you the uap are

3067
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:53,600
real people haven't freaked out i'm like

3068
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:54,800
first of all

3069
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:57,360
the general the masses have not accepted

3070
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:59,199
that this is real number two

3071
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:00,719
just because there are craft in the sky

3072
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,480
the backstory has not been explained if

3073
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:04,639
the backstory has anything with to do

3074
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:06,400
with humans being manipulated by

3075
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:07,920
something non-human or something that's

3076
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,840
above us in the food chain people aren't

3077
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:11,679
going to be able to accept that easily

3078
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,639
um

3079
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,880
what other reasons why you know there's

3080
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:17,040
a there's a kit green quote in the alien

3081
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:18,639
autopsy email

3082
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,800
um he talks about some of the pictures

3083
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:22,880
he was shown before the alien autopsy

3084
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:24,560
video came out that he says match the

3085
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:26,560
alien autopsy he says the people in

3086
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:29,280
charge just don't think we we deserve to

3087
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,639
know the truth you know we're more

3088
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:33,520
worried about football on sunday um you

3089
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:35,840
know in celebrities we can't handle we

3090
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,840
can't even understand how important this

3091
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,440
is so we should not be told the truth

3092
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:41,840
and it's like you look at society and

3093
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:43,760
it's like they might have a point there

3094
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:46,320
because most people care more about kim

3095
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,960
kardashian than they do about ufos we

3096
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:50,800
can't it's still a problem andy we still

3097
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:52,239
can't get the masses interested i mean i

3098
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:55,920
know it's changing but it's very slow um

3099
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:57,679
so there's a lot of possibilities

3100
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,679
i i mentioned jokingly johnny depp

3101
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:02,000
earlier and his mega pint but i remember

3102
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,719
when the hearings were on on live

3103
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:06,639
i think someone commented how there were

3104
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:08,880
40 000 views at the time on that

3105
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,760
particular channel and that's so many

3106
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:13,600
more than normally that channel gets and

3107
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:15,920
wow isn't this amazing and i said yeah

3108
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,199
but at the same time there were four

3109
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,800
million people watching johnny depp

3110
01:44:22,229 --> 01:44:20,400
versus amber heard

3111
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:22,239
i was in the kitchen watching on youtube

3112
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:23,920
the congressional hearing my wife was in

3113
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:26,239
my sitting room living room watching

3114
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:28,239
court courtroom tv with johnny depp and

3115
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,600
amber heard and she had no interest in

3116
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:31,440
the us stuff i was telling her other

3117
01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:32,560
they're talking about roswell they've

3118
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:35,119
mentioned crashes and metamaterials and

3119
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:36,800
all this stuff and she was like all

3120
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:38,239
right yeah but listen to this lawyer

3121
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,080
this guy's funny and it's that's not a

3122
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:42,239
slight on my wife but no that's just

3123
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,000
where the general populace are at with

3124
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,320
this conversation still that those two

3125
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,560
conversations could be happening and

3126
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:50,880
it's infinitely more popular as to

3127
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,400
what's happening between

3128
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,040
jack sparrow and aquaman's girlfriend

3129
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:57,440
and i and i made an effort not to watch

3130
01:45:01,830 --> 01:44:59,280
it i mean i think i tuned in one day for

3131
01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:01,840
a minute and like turn it off and i love

3132
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:04,000
i love courtroom legal stuff but on this

3133
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:06,159
one i'm like no no there's too much

3134
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:08,159
other stuff going on like you said so

3135
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:09,600
it's a little depressing and you know my

3136
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:11,360
family is still i've had some bites here

3137
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,960
and there i've had people at work say

3138
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:14,239
yeah i'm interested send me stuff and

3139
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:16,080
then i send them they're like thanks

3140
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,199
nothing else they don't want to hear

3141
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:19,360
from me again um i've had that happen

3142
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:21,040
several times

3143
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,719
joe i'm going to finish off with a

3144
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:24,639
negative question but just to be fair

3145
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:26,159
and address the balance of everything as

3146
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:29,199
well this was from uh area 503 who was

3147
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,639
having a little bit of a troll i think

3148
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,560
on the twitter feed but i'm going to ask

3149
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:34,480
this to cover all the bases i know you

3150
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:37,119
won't mind i never do that's fine joe

3151
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:38,800
why would you dive into a document that

3152
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:40,800
has been proven to be entirely false

3153
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,719
save your time admiral wilson has

3154
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,480
categorically denied this meeting took

3155
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:46,560
place and even stated i would not know

3156
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,239
eric davis if he walked up to me and

3157
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:50,480
said hi

3158
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:51,920
you know it's like

3159
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:53,440
and when i was when i was working on the

3160
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:54,960
document where i wasn't sure if it was

3161
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:57,760
realized i dove in um

3162
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:00,000
i had an experience where i worked on an

3163
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,719
article i'm a really not not as big as

3164
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:04,880
this one but i worked on an article

3165
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:07,119
where i came to a conclusion i thought i

3166
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:09,280
was the only one that knew this and when

3167
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:12,400
it turned out i was wrong and it was

3168
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,040
such a kick to the gut and it was

3169
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,760
related to sports and a rape case

3170
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:19,920
um so when i was and it was it was

3171
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:21,679
definitely it hurt me because i was like

3172
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:24,000
my god you were delusional to think that

3173
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:25,600
you were right about this and nobody

3174
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:27,760
else in the world knew except you this

3175
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:29,040
is a little different obviously because

3176
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,119
i have sources but still along the way

3177
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:33,360
as i was working on it i'm like what if

3178
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:34,960
this is happening again you made this

3179
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:38,239
mistake one time you were so obsessed by

3180
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:39,760
this you couldn't see

3181
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:41,840
the truth maybe this is what's going on

3182
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:43,600
here um

3183
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:45,440
so yeah i did think about that um it

3184
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,920
took me a long time to finally you know

3185
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:49,679
form my opinion on this and one thing i

3186
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,560
say

3187
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:52,960
i'm friends with eric davis

3188
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:54,880
he knew i was working on this document

3189
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:56,800
or this mega blog

3190
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,679
not once did he ever say hey

3191
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:01,199
don't waste your time

3192
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:02,480
um

3193
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:04,000
he's also never denied it and that's a

3194
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:06,719
big deal it's a big deal to me um that's

3195
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:08,800
not evidence of anything you know but i

3196
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:10,239
consider him a friend a pretty good

3197
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:11,760
friend as far as an internet friend

3198
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:14,080
we've only spoken on the phone once um i

3199
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:17,040
would think he would say like you know

3200
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:17,920
just

3201
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:21,679
how he knew i was working night and day

3202
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,639
on it so never told me stop he did give

3203
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:26,480
me a quote for it related to edgar

3204
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:28,480
mitchell you know and which i i talked

3205
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:29,840
about before how it leaked from his

3206
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:30,800
estate

3207
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:32,239
um

3208
01:47:38,709 --> 01:47:36,800
wilson's denials will always give me

3209
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:38,719
pause because they're really really

3210
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:41,520
strong um i don't know even if wilson

3211
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:43,840
was given immunity i don't know what's

3212
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,199
going through his mind if he would still

3213
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:47,760
deny it but like i said he is not the

3214
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:49,440
important part here these documents are

3215
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:51,280
great for discussion i love them they're

3216
01:47:54,870 --> 01:47:53,119
not the important part of the story

3217
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:54,880
let's see if we ever get information

3218
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:56,320
from people who worked in these programs

3219
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:57,760
that's the most important thing get em

3220
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,320
immunity um and if people don't believe

3221
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,880
this is legitimate that's fine um

3222
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:04,400
it's kind of a waste of time to argue at

3223
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:06,639
this point um early on you probably

3224
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:07,679
would have

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01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,800
maybe think twice now i don't but i

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01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,199
understand people are skeptical that

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01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:15,600
you know that that's not a totally rare

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01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:19,119
opinion what you just read to me um

3229
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:20,960
whether or not i wasted this much time

3230
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:26,470
joe i think you've nicely wrapped up the

3231
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,840
what i was going to ask you to do at the

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01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:29,920
end anyway thank you very much for your

3233
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:32,159
time in this inaugural deep dive episode

3234
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:33,600
i think rather than timeline it's been

3235
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:34,960
more of a deep dive and that's a better

3236
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:37,600
name for it going forward um joel i've

3237
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:39,600
i've never had in the fact i support you

3238
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:40,880
on patreon because i really do

3239
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:43,119
appreciate the work you do i think your

3240
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:45,280
blogs are fantastic the information held

3241
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:47,199
within there is great i don't always

3242
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,880
like anyone i don't always agree with

3243
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,119
you on twitter but i enjoy the way you

3244
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,520
engage with folks and how active you are

3245
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,040
and and how knowledgeable you are in

3246
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:57,040
those contacts as well so thank you very

3247
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,480
much from myself because i really do

3248
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:00,400
appreciate the work you do

3249
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,960
i appreciate it andy very much i love

3250
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,040
your shows i always play them when i'm

3251
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,199
around here cleaning the house and

3252
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:09,600
travis taylor was great and

3253
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:10,560
also

3254
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:13,040
please people check out for all of the

3255
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,280
details check out dolan's

3256
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:17,280
deep dive with mr x and juliano

3257
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:19,679
marankovich you need mirankavik you need

3258
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,639
to link to his his website has every

3259
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:25,440
link about wilson davis you know from

3260
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:27,280
the beginning it's just amazing work by

3261
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:29,280
giuliano who just does it for the love

3262
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:31,360
of it guy never gets burned out either

3263
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:32,880
it's amazing but thank you andy i had a

3264
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:34,000
great time

3265
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,199
all of those links are in the

3266
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,440
description for the show uh you should

3267
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:39,760
see my first interview with joe himself

3268
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:41,119
where we discuss your background your

3269
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:42,800
research your thoughts opinions so if

3270
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:45,119
anyone's wondering you know joe margia

3271
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:46,159
you know you've not asked about his

3272
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:47,520
background and stuff we've done all that

3273
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:49,360
before that link over there check out

3274
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,239
joe's website ufojo.net please follow

3275
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:54,159
joe on twitter at joel what's your

3276
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:55,599
twitter handle because it changed isn't

3277
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:57,360
that when you lost the account

3278
01:50:04,870 --> 01:49:58,760
at the

3279
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,880
you'll see joe's got like 22 and a half

3280
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:06,480
thousand followers or something now so

3281
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:08,159
you'll know the right one and he's very

3282
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,480
active on there as well um i've got the

3283
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:12,320
links to the documents themselves will

3284
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:14,239
be in the description giuliano's website

3285
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,080
the richard dolan's five hour deep dive

3286
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,239
the basement office episode and also the

3287
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,320
link to jacques valley's stratagem book

3288
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,880
which joe mentioned as well before hope

3289
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:24,480
you've enjoyed this show it's the first

3290
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:26,400
of many to come and if you've got any

3291
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,800
suggestions for a further deep dive let

3292
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:30,400
me know what you would want that to be

3293
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,480
and any potential guests and once again

3294
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:34,159
joe thanks for your time

3295
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,000
thanks again andy hope to do it again

3296
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:38,320
sometime in the future that is all for

3297
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:40,239
this week's show thank you very much for

3298
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:42,239
listening please remember to leave the

3299
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,040
podcast review on your chosen platform

3300
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:47,760
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3301
01:50:51,910 --> 01:50:49,920
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3302
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:51,920
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3303
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:53,840
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3304
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:56,400
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3305
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,199
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3306
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:01,360
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3307
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:04,239
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3308
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,360
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3309
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,520
and again folks as always keep looking

3310
01:51:30,410 --> 01:51:12,080
up you never know what you might see

3311
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:32,950
[Music]

3312
01:51:51,599 --> 01:52:09,430
upstairs

3313
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:10,709
there was something on my head and

3314
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:22,440
they thought it was a everything

3315
01:53:12,950 --> 01:52:27,990
[Music]

3316
01:53:18,149 --> 01:53:12,960
what's that

3317
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:20,910
it wasn't a tic-tac

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01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:37,300
so